Shouldn't Thyrus+1 be the last item I get when it comes to using Myth tomes?

[Deathgiver]

So everyone can check for themselves: Valk's healing calculator

[Whippet]

That Calculator is wrong and has been proven already

1 mnd is 1.175 HP not 2 like the calc says

and 1 weapon DMG is about 8-9 HP not 11 like the calculator says

[YanDere]

Becuase your telling over and over BAD information, your a plea to the healers, go away and don't come back

oh, so you're telling that my calculation with B.L.I.T.Z.B.A.L.L. was totally wrong, and that Thyrus+1 is not a buff in heal and AF2 is a buff in VIT.
Don't know if you actually BOUGHT your lv50 character, because I assume you know totally NOTHING about healer stats.
And please, stop insulting people you don't even know. We're not at elementary school anymore.

[Whippet]

Let's do this i guess

Thyrus+1 + DL cowl gives more healing power, Thyrus + AF2 robe + AF2 circlet gives better HP and defense.
Just think about this and take what you need more.
I took AF2 gloves and now that I'm full DL + AF2 gloves I have 3800 HP so I can upgrade my Thyrus to Thyrus+1.

Your not totaly wrong there, but telling people that You got Thyrus +1 last when HP is not a neccessity for WHM until Turn 5 is bad

Also telling them to get AF2 circlet gloves and body is also a bad idea because they are not BIS

So yeah you don't know shit

[YanDere]

Let's do this i guess




Your not totaly wrong there, but telling people that You got Thyrus +1 last when HP is not a neccessity for WHM until Turn 5 is bad

Also telling them to get AF2 circlet gloves and body is also a bad idea because they are not BIS

So yeah you don't know shit

I never told anyone to get full AF2.
I just compared AF2 body and circlet+DL with Thyrus+1+DL, and I said: "if you want HP and defense, take AF2 body and circlet, if you want healing power, take Thyrus+1".

I took AF2 gloves because I needed a little boost in HP, my healing power was great (900-950 per Cure, which is far enough until turn 4-5), and now that I have 3800-3900 HP I'm ready to get my Thyrus+1.
But all this is about me. I said "take what you feel you need more, just know the stats comparison".

[Whippet]

You are not directly telling people to do that

But most people that comes here for honest opinions will sadly think that your explanations are correct and will follow it which will bring even more bad healers.

I do not agree that people are worse as DRG or MNK, the worse player i'm seeing are all healers


So here is what people need to know

Yes HP is important, but only for T5

3.5-3.6 is ENOUGH for all of the content, there is NO content outside of T5 that will make you win just because the healer got more HP

BUT healing 30 more HP just by upgrading relic +1 can and will save lives, when tank can't use cooldown, when lag or just shit happens

So w/e you are a WHM or a SCH MAin you have no choice, do Relic +1 first this will save ALOT of time and headache for the healer and the tank

Also I hope people will stop with the Oh don't get +1 cuz allagan is better, for SCH that is true SCH Book owns easily Omni +1 but only SCH is your 2-3-4th job you will need to use SCH threw T5 and that 30 HP restore will help you I can promise you that

[YanDere]

You are not directly telling people to do that

But most people that comes here for honest opinions will sadly think that your explanations are correct and will follow it which will bring even more bad healers.

I'm not offending, but you keep misunderstanding whatever I try to explain.
Nothing is really necessary in this game, Titan was WHM tanked and 4 manned with ilvl1 gear WHM.
I make 10 min WP speedruns with my relic ilvl80, no problem. It's just what you think you prefer.
I've never said "do this" or "do that", I said "keep this in mind, and do what pleases you, it's not SO relevant".
I don't think this can be a bad piece of advice, it's just true. Since it's not so important, as far as you know what brings what in matter of stats, you can do what you want.

[harkinate]

Oooh. Forum argument!

[Menae]

You are not directly telling people to do that

But most people that comes here for honest opinions will sadly think that your explanations are correct and will follow it which will bring even more bad healers.

I do not agree that people are worse as DRG or MNK, the worse player i'm seeing are all healers


So here is what people need to know

Yes HP is important, but only for T5

3.5-3.6 is ENOUGH for all of the content, there is NO content outside of T5 that will make you win just because the healer got more HP

BUT healing 30 more HP just by upgrading relic +1 can and will save lives, when tank can't use cooldown, when lag or just shit happens

So w/e you are a WHM or a SCH MAin you have no choice, do Relic +1 first this will save ALOT of time and headache for the healer and the tank

Also I hope people will stop with the Oh don't get +1 cuz allagan is better, for SCH that is true SCH Book owns easily Omni +1 but only SCH is your 2-3-4th job you will need to use SCH threw T5 and that 30 HP restore will help you I can promise you that

If the tank dies because you didn't heal him for 30 more a cast, well, it's not your gear's fault.

It's not really that big a deal to buy some AF2 instead of Thyrus+1. You get inferior gains in healing but higher gains in vit, and for some people that might be a reasonable tradeoff. In particular, somebody just joining the game now might be better served to do that if they somehow join a T5 group while still undergeared and have to hit the hp requirement. And honestly, +1 is about a 3-5% gain in healing power. It's strong - it's VERY strong, for a single piece - but unless your tank somehow manages to go for 20+ heals in a row without being topped off, it's ultimately not that significant. Since most tanks will be topped off as often as feasible, the only time the 3-5% gain will prevent a tank death is if they would end up between 1 and maybe 250 hp. I don't know about you, but if my tank hits 250 hp, either he's level 20 or I've screwed up - him getting that low means slightly worse RNG on the damage intake alone would have killed him, so it needs to not happen. And that also ignores the fact that stoneskin doesn't benefit from your gear at all unless you are casting it on yourself.

(That said I still like Thyrus first because you can still respec vit, and Allagan only drops off of T5 anyway. I'm just arguing that gear in this game is relatively meaningless for healers)

[Sasagawa]

Now all that being said.

IF you get AF2 Gear or +1 weapon its going to be good anyways. So my advice is buy what the hell you feel like. The only people in the game who need to worry about BIS minuscule advantages over AF2 etc are DDs. I see a lot of statistics used to verify information such as crap like "over the course of the fight thats an extra (x) amount of healing or (x) amount of damage. Everyone on this forum seems to forget that the statistics on this site only represent an absolutely perfect scenario.

What i mean is yes the +1 may give you healing power buff but a small one. While I agree it is the BIS does that mean that you become an amazing player because you have +1 weapon, I think not and when does 30 extra heal ever save anyone.

There are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics !.
Bulls**t baffles brains !.