Coil mode for main story

[Aureliami]

If you're not skilled enough or can't find a good enough group to beat the coil with then you can just wait a few months.

When turn 6+ of coil come out, turn 1-5 will be nerfed so less skilled groups can clear it and see the story then.

Being able to see the coil story before other people is just part of the reward of being more skilled.

[Zedine]

I think the difficulty is fine as it is.

I have not beat turn 4 yet, and I am fine with that.

What bothers me is people rushing to end game and complaining there is nothing to do. If you can't beat coil, it's probably because you need more time and experience. If you are the hero of the story you need to be a strong hero for the story to progress.


I know someone who we helped to do most of his relic up to titan, then asked him to gear up and return, but instead he bought his titan win and is now complaining he can't do coil. I checked his gear and he still has AF 1, ilvl 45-50 items and says he can't get a coil group.

I've done a few pick up groups for coil myself and I am extremely disappointed on how many people don't have relic+1 and/or at least full AK/darklight gear. It is the hardest dungeon in the game, I expect full DL + but will be happy with some AK gear since lets be honest you don't need to have full DL and if you progressed through the story you should have beaten all the dungeons a few times to farm a few pieces of dark light and AK.

People complain about the myth cap but its not there to slow down your progress it's there to set up a tempo for the game. it would be odd for someone with experience with a 5 day vacation to start a new character get 50 in 1 day then myth farm 4 days then finish coil, and have full ilvl90 with allagan drops. why is myth cap in this post? well for story progression. You think a game 2+years running and 3 months into its re-release with "heros" barely beating coil turn 5 will be ok with a new 5 day Hero beating all the games hardest dungeons?

The reason the content is hard is to give the game longevity as well as to give your game a progression both in story and in experience and items.

Yes there was a screw up and coil was released before crystal tower, but that is being fixed. If you want to know the story, fully, make a new character and enjoy the story from other nations as quests differ at the start. Do all the side quests, do job quests, get them all to 50 since they all have lore that ties to the game. Did you know Nidhogg was stabbed in the eye? I bet not, unless you leveled dragoon you miss some things. It would be weird to complain and ask to know the lore of all the classes with out leveling it. It removes the reward of the lore for those who do.

Coil's reward is so much the loot and the titles as it is the Lore. It is part of the reward for beating coil. If you cannot beat it, then you cannot see it.

I don't feel that casual players/new players or even hardcore players should be upset about this. coil was designed to be completed 2 and a half months after you started playing. If you were pushing for end game and being linear with just 1 class progression and its cross class abilities. People reached this point pretty much on mark.

Those of us who took side turns to level a 2nd 50 or maybe 2-3 crafts are in turn 1-4, which we are still on schedule. I find it odd people want to finish all the content in 1 month. Then complain about lack of content, or they rush (or get carried) to places way beyond their character level or item level and complain about difficulty.

If you have internet issues or ping problems or even reaction time issues, your new gear (ilvl90) is very forgiving. You took a Laser to the face and still alive? thank that ilvl 90 gear.

Coil is designed that if you can't beat it with skill alone, every week, or two weeks you get a "buff" in gear due to the myth stones you collect and the few allagan pieces you get from turns you do beat.
Eventually you will be in full ilvl90 gear before you beat turn 5, making it that much easier to succeed.

That being said coil isn't so much game difficulty as it is player difficulty. I wiped more times to people forgetting to silence or forgetting to pass rot more than to anything else.

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[ZohnoReecho]

REad my message on this 5th page and tell me- yes, tell me- what is EXACTLY your problem with Coil easy mode. What will you lose, what harm will you take?

And think, from the other side, about casual players, if they get Coil easy mode

It's totally non-sense. It kills the main purpose of a dungeon set in the seal of the beast who almost destroyed the whole world. It's a kick in the nuts to whoever loves his job and spent time to design and balance that run to make it enjoyable and give the players a good challenge and story.
If they make an easy mode now what will happen when they really nerf these? Open all the doors of the coil and make all the mobs blind?
Maybe they could also add a guide to it then! "Please, don't hit these mobs or they'll hit back and you could be forced to engage them. Walk by and enjoy the cutscenes while you do so."

[Onyxys]

If you're not skilled enough or can't find a good enough group to beat the coil with then you can just wait a few months.

When turn 6+ of coil come out, turn 1-5 will be nerfed so less skilled groups can clear it and see the story then.

Being able to see the coil story before other people is just part of the reward of being more skilled.

Alagan gear is not a good reward?

[Aureliami]

Alagan gear is not a good reward?

I personally just did it for the achievement points.

[Myrhn]

Why bother to do an easy mode for people that want to see the story with no reward if a nerf is going to come anyway down the road?
If you are desperate and can't live without knowing what happen see a video online.
If you want to experience the story with your character wait for the nerf or get better each day till you beat it.

[Lumiin]

What I'd like to see, is the storyline.

Because that's how games work. You start off easy with level 1 one stuff then you improve and keep progressing. It's suppose to gradually get harder not just stay easy across the board. Whatever happened to learning how to improve and play and get better? When I first started playing mmos, omg I was awful. But instead of asking for everything to be nerfed to make it easy for my nubery, I learned and got better.

Not to mention that this game is just beyond easy mode even compared to WoW lol.

[Gandora]

REad my message on this 5th page and tell me- yes, tell me- what is EXACTLY your problem with Coil easy mode. What will you lose, what harm will you take?

And think, from the other side, about casual players, if they will get Coil easy mode

The epeen y'know! We are better, we have better skills, you are trash so you don't deserve an easy mode, just get better at/learn how to play the the game!

Onyxys, you're truely nice to defend the players who "arn't skilled enough" from these idiots point of view (geez whenever I read/write that I feel like such an idiot, i'm happy to be a casual..)

we should praise the sun in their honour & kneel down!

[Onyxys]

The epeen y'know! We are better, we have better skills, you are trash so you don't deserve an easy mode, just get better at/learn how to play the the game!

Onyxys, you're truely nice to defend the players who "arn't skilled enough" from these idiots point of view (geez whenever I read/write that I feel like such an idiot, i'm happy to be a casual..)

I like to help people about the game (ff14)- different questions, different answers. I can not do that, but I do. I spend my time to do this. Do you know why? I want help people to make them stay in the game, to save interest for the game. I want to save in the game as much people as possible, because when servers are empty- it is not fun. I like Coil as it is now, but Im not the egoist- I want different players gain pleasure from the game and I want to save them in the game- casual players too. So I decided to create this thread and I hope, that something will change

[Sunarie]

I liked the post. The story, however insignificant it may seem to others, is important to some people, and should be something accessible by all. Usually the people most interested in the story/lore seem to be the least interested in hardcore raiding (this is just from my experience with past MMOs). Gear and achievements are usually what shows someone completed the hardest content in the game, not completing a story.

As long as there is no gear from it, or it's equiv to AK type stuff, I wouldn't see a problem with this. I would not want to see it made priority though. As in, not with patch 2.1. So you'd likely be stuck waiting on 2.2, when they're going to decrease the difficulty anyway since more Coil will be added. Going forward though, it wouldn't be bad to have a "story mode" dungeon and a regular one. Story mode not rewarding near the same level gear, and being easier to complete. Also gives people more stuff to run.