Coil mode for main story

[Ksenia]

But your whole argument boiled down to: Difficult Content = Kills off playerbases.

You do offer insight in to a real problem with MMO content.

Forced hard content - hard=takes longer, nothing more - will not be done by casual players.
On the other hand, offer an easier version and even the so called hard core people never do the hard version. And that's a proven fact.

The biggest problem is, the games aren't about experience. It's here, it's every game. The want you to farm it. You can't tell me people running coil are doing it for the 'experience' when they are in run 30. They might as well be out gathering Electrum ore. It's the same thing in effect.

[Nici]

Does it really matter anymore to debate and argue over this issue? a mod already came in and said what they have planned with 1-5 coil for those that want an easier time with the dungeon by adding a buff...case closed...let's move on.

[Lukahn]

If they were to leave the gearing process as it is and just add content without any catch-up gear system, then well... Everyone who is new or far behind, will be behind forever (exaggerating, but a very long time, a decent long time on the best cases where they can just force themselves into doing hard content with the minimum gear required, because they have the skill and capabilities)
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SE addresses this. Higher myth caps, nerfs to older dungeons ( I believe they are already doing this with AK,) and duty roulette to keep traffic in older dungeons really help in keeping people from getting too far behind. That being said, it seems that you are implying that people playing at their own pace and not on the cutting edge of new content is a bad thing. Remember, I haven't completed coil either!

[KogaDrake]

What is the big deal here? Has everyone forgot what the the "Echo" buff is? and how it works?


when 2.2 comes out and more turns of coil are released, when you enter turns 1-5 its the exact same fight as it is now. The buff activates after X number of wipes, adding HP and DMG and def to the members of the group, making it easier. keep failing get more stacks and larger buffs till you can finish the content. Dont want the buff but still wiping? well, exit and re-enter and the buff will be gone, or they may add an option to remove it. Thus they have not destroyed the current content, but as it is "old" and not top tier rewards anymore it is made more available to the hole playerbase.

The "echo" buff has been in game since Open Beta for story quests (most people have never encountered it), but go play on a new char and do some story quests and die a few times and see the buff. All they are doing is adding this same buffing mechanic to "old" content to make it killable by people who are not able to now after they fail some, making it easier each few tries until they are buffed enough to kill it. Now will people abuse this and wipe 10 times for a big buff then actually attempt to kill it? some will, but it still allows many to do it in its original difficulty, something that many MMO's screw up for new players because they actually nerfed the content.

[NeruMew]

SE addresses this. Higher myth caps, nerfs to older dungeons ( I believe they are already doing this with AK,) and duty roulette to keep traffic in older dungeons really help in keeping people from getting too far behind. That being said, it seems that you are implying that people playing at their own pace and not on the cutting edge of new content is a bad thing. Remember, I haven't completed coil either!

Nah sorry if it came off that way, It's is completely find and right if that's what you want. All I'm saying is that well, you might be behind cause you're catching up on leveling and other stuff, but when new content comes out (have in mind coil will not be nerfed before 2.2, i am positive about this, even though SE haven't said anything it would be the more reasonable thing, to nerf it either wtith 2.2 and new coil turns, or soon after) you will be further behind, it really depends on you though, wether you havent done it because you just haven't gottena round to it, or because you find it hard.

I was really making a generalization, sorry. ^^ I'm quite positive that if you don't find it hard nor shrug away from it, you will complete it before the nerf anyway XD And gear from 2.1 plus the more AF+1 you get the easier it becomes XD So in a way it is gradually nerfed anyway.

[saber_alter]

"Echo" buff

i was about to mention this...

i hope they use this method, let higher tier raiders still be able to do it without nerfing the content into the ground and let more casual players that aren't into the difficulty wipe a few times to get a massive boost.

[Onyxys]

I like the system of modes
-normal mode- no reward (poor reward)
- hard mode- good reward (rare loot)

I dont like the system "after some wipes game will offer to you to nerf the dungeon or the boss"

I dont like the policy of nerfing previous hard core content when appears new hard core content

[Rose_Vilehart]

Ugh i really hate this, not only are you devaluing the times when we had to work together to beat coil through teamwork and got great gear as a reward, you are also doing it when it makes sense not to, to get to coil you must go through HM titan, meaning unless you are skilled you are screwed anyway (unless you pay to get carried like a bitch) and T1-3 is EASIER than titan HM, this means that the people complaining about coil cannot have been to coil yet at all or they got carried because titan is a brick wall you NEED to destroy to get to it, this also means you will be taking away challenge from a good and challenging dungeon just because a few players who are not even at coil yet have heard that it is hard.

[Rose_Vilehart]

Not only this but pandering to people who cannot learn to play a game never helps that much, it just hurts your long term player base, what you think casual players are going to stick around for that long? lol no, they will be gone soon, the players that stay will be the ones who love to challenge more and more and no im not talking about end game rushers, this game is easy enough as it is if you dumb the game down even more a large majority will never feel challenged i cant remember dying once to any story mode boss ever.

[Rose_Vilehart]

before you scream "hardcore gamer lol" im not a hardcore gamer, nor am i a casual, i prefer taking games slowly(been playing since beta and yet my character only has 1 lvl 50) and learning about the lore, hell before i was became more skilled at the game and bothered to try to learn it i was stuck on garuda (HM) for 2 WEEKS however i also like to be challenged and overcome those challenges, titan HM and coil so far (garuda counts too but only because i wasn't trying to learn to play before) are the only things i have enjoyed beating because they challenged me, they made me adapt and learn and i loved it.