Quelling strikes -> how does it exactly work?

[Enfarious]

While I can't say anything for MNK, DRG really don't need it unless we're AoEing at the beginning; our damage takes time to ramp up and if the tank can't handle aggro in that period of time either they're vastly undergeared (compared to DRG), targeting the wrong enemy (I don't know how many tanks I've DFed that mark enemies...then attack #2 while DPS is starting on #1...) or just doesn't know what to do. And if all else fails we have an emergency aggro dump: Evasive Jump.
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Fair points, alot of my memories of Drg are from 1.0, and in 1.0 w/o Elusive Jump and Quelling Strikes I ran red alot, but all DDs ran red alot in 1.0. Mnk is a similar story, Brd would be if they couldn't land their most damaging hits before a tank can finish a combo, Blm would be the only job with any real hate control issues. Oh and Whm ... but that's a whole other deal.

[Legend_]

I'm leveling Archer for Quelling Strikes at level 34 just for my Blackmage.

Would I be wrong going straight to level 34 without getting the Bard Soul Gem? Level 30 I get MP Regen for party and some main stats boost.

My PUG is only level 8(need to to be 15) and don't plan on taking Bard/Archer passed 34....ever.

[Shamirah]

If you don't plan to level up your archer... I don't see any reason to do the job quest.

[Legend_]

If you don't plan to level up your archer... I don't see any reason to do the job quest.

Just to 34 that's it, the only one or two dungeons I can use ballad in, Bray Fox and maybe Manor. I just don't want to short change the team allot the few times I'll be there

[Legend_]

Well, I'm only 50k out now just going to ride it out. It's been fun while it lasted I'm burning all this great soon

[TarragonX]

as bard, open boss fights with SS then QS, pop buffs and go all out. you will not pull aggro even off a gimp tank, and your buff timers will reset that much quicker. QS is about our best ability overall in terms of utility. also, you cannot overwrite DoTs cast under buffs that strengthen them, so baddies will get a better sense of when to recast (read: after it drops).

Ah Could you elaborate on your last sentence? Do you mean that someone else cannot put the same DOT as you did if you applied the DOT while under the effect of buffs?

[Frizze]

The dead walk among us! Run for your lives!

Jokes aside, i think what that person was saying is that you shouldnt recast buffed DoTs until they expire. When you apply a DoT, the game snapshots your current buffs so that if a buff expires before the DoT does then the DoT remains at the strength it was cast at. When you re-apply the DoT the game rechecks your buffs, and you might lose some strength off it if you reapply too soon. So the person you quoted was probly advising letting a buffed DoT expire before reapplying to assure full strength all the way through. Probly. Its also possible some mechanics have changed in the 2 and a half years since that post.

[lyndwyrm]

The dead walk among us! Run for your lives!

Jokes aside, i think what that person was saying is that you shouldnt recast buffed DoTs until they expire. When you apply a DoT, the game snapshots your current buffs so that if a buff expires before the DoT does then the DoT remains at the strength it was cast at. When you re-apply the DoT the game rechecks your buffs, and you might lose some strength off it if you reapply too soon. So the person you quoted was probly advising letting a buffed DoT expire before reapplying to assure full strength all the way through. Probly. Its also possible some mechanics have changed in the 2 and a half years since that post.

It was also true at 2.0 until some point (I'm having trouble finding the patch/hotifx in particular) that you could not overwrite DoTs with a weaker version of the DoT, which would include buffs like Quelling Strikes. Now however, you totally can. So the statement

also, you cannot overwrite DoTs cast under buffs that strengthen them

is just outdated.

[Frizze]

Like i said...

Its also possible some mechanics have changed in the 2 and a half years since that post.

And indeed, it sounds like that was correct. I started playing right around when HW launched, so i dont know what things were like back then. Of course, potentially outdated info is why i made the joke about raising the thread from the dead. And now im just making it worse by continuing to respond.

[ruskie]

As a BLM I'll usually open up with Quelling + Raging Strikes so that I can start heavy on a target and then my enmity is in check for the rest of the fight usually. I've seen many Bards be guilty of just opening up hard on a boss without using Quelling and they wonder why things go running after them.

Us bards like to play this game of who can hold aggro ;P and quelling strikes is something for black mages XD

Frankly by the time my biggest burst comes in for me quelling strikes usually fall off a second or so earlier. So usually I just don't bother. If you can't have enough aggro after 14s or so to hold then idk...