DON"T DO IT !

[Exstal]

So, 9000 more damage in 5 minutes or a tank that won't fall over? That's a real tough call.

The total damage formulas are then...

WAR:
(213.85 * 1.0556 + 83.33 * 1.11) * 1.2 * /.9 * 1.02375 = 434.39 potency per GCD

PLD (without WAR):
(205 + 83.33 + 50 + 25 + 25) * 1.1 = 427.16 potency per GCD

PLD (with WAR):
(205 + 83.33 + 50 + 25 + 25) * 1.1 / .9 = 474.63 potency per GCD

[Shortie]

This guy is the dumbest troll I have ever seen post lol...

First he brags about his "6 Level 90 Pieces of gear". They are all bought by myth except a T1 Breastplate... that screams end game experience.

and..

I guarantee you your account, you will not out DPS me, or any other skilled paladin by 100 DPS.

[KristianFortNox]

My opinion is that I don't mind that Warrior is getting a buff if they need they needed simple as that. You can put the only reason why they changed because scrub players true or not you can tell some of their factors they have is low like Defense wise. Is that why there is for to cover other weakness. As a paladin if i am tanking with Warrior I gladly use Cover if he need that he wont take damage i take for him. As I use Rampart and or Foresight sense Cover is only Phsy damage. But the changes are not harmful to anyone I don't why other paladin and/or other people say that the patch out. You paladin will be under use or not wanted at all witch it will not be the case. Every Job as place in this game beside I love working with Warrior then other Paladin any day

[Lex_Luger]

OP: You lost me at

Warrior is the better tank because they do TONS more damage.

How many times must this silly myth be dispelled? If we're comparing Defiance WAR to Shield Oath PLD, the difference is negligible, comparing Sword Oath vs Non-Defiance varies depending on fight but assuming equal gear and skill, there is no TONS more damage, please stop spreading these lies and misinformation.

[KristianFortNox]

This isn't the paladin cry baby forum post. This is for warriors. I'm not here to debate about paladins and their stupid abilities, what they can or cannot do.

warrior is dps based tank you people are so dumb.

Which is all fine as it is. Warrior is Health Stealer Tank not just DD (Damage Dealer) Tank.

[Churchill]

OP: You lost me at

How many times must this silly myth be dispelled? If we're comparing Defiance WAR to Shield Oath PLD, the difference is negligible, comparing Sword Oath vs Non-Defiance varies depending on fight but assuming equal gear and skill, there is no TONS more damage, please stop spreading these lies and misinformation.

It's actually noticeable but it assumes the Warrior can maintain his DPS rotation the entire time and also that the Warrior has allocated 30 points to STR.

As far as whether or not I read the OP, then no, it was really hard to concentrate with all the errors and fallacies.

[Shurrikhan]

30 dps over a 5 minute fight is 9000 more damage try again pal.

And i do a lot more than 30 more dps vs a paladin try about 100

Your just a troll and a stupid one, so I'm gonna ignore you.

But what's 9k to a 500k+ health boss, other than what a BLM can do in 22 seconds?


Your total buffs will bring your combos to +5% damage, up from -25%, but that's still only at most 100 damage more per ability (a strength/det-relative 206 vs. 308 on RoH/BB), about 35 dps more than a Paladin, for 5% more healer mana consumption. Include the 10% crit bonus as another 5% damage if you like, but without AoEs, the dps bonus still is not prevalent. I'll admit, I wouldn't mind a single Warrior for Turn 4. Hell, I might prefer it if AoE dps is low, but I'm not going to use it as a MT, and going double PLD regenerates tank AoE while helping healers via Ballad. With your TP you'd only be able to keep up Storm's Eye on single-target OT phases to regen that TP. (Though at least the patch will help out a lot in that regard via TP cost reductions.)

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I'll agree though that I'd rather not see Warrior become quite so mitigation-oriented as the patch will make it. I love being able to self-heal all the WP and AK boss fights. But the scaling (to damage for self-healing) isn't going to get us through raids. The stronger the enemy is than ourselves, the more enemy-based effects (damage taken reduction) are worth. When a boss only does 2k damage per 20-some seconds, reduction is worthless and WAR requires no healing. When it hits for 30k in that time, you're looking at a Rampart 6k vs. your Inner Beast, which would cost you another (assuming a Wrath-regain average) 2.3k to use without Infuriate. Having a mostly self-based arsenal is not going to get us through endgame, where we a comparatively tiny collection of stats compared to what we're fighting. If you want that to come off with a more self-heal-ish flare, such as increasing Storm's Path self-heal based on damage received (including what was absorbed by mitigation, likely), its only difference is going to be in it appearing twice over a 10-second stretch while Sentinel would last across it, and being reactive rather than preemptive. (Or maybe have the patched-version Storm's Path damage reduction/absorption give a damage buff (up to some 1.2k damage, 2 of which would be consumed per potency of the following attacks, thereby empowering the following Inner Beast as well, healing for 1.8k+ more.) If that's Warrior enough for you, then great. But something's got to take advantage of, scale off, what's bigger than us.

[MJ01118]

For someone who played in beta. Oh wait you joined in September.

[YourAgSshouldBeDisplayed]

its not a buff to warriors not even a little bit. What it is, is a shameful attempt to make a hard class easier to play for the masses.

The changes make us paladins not warriors. If i wanted to play a paladin I would have made one.

So instead, they take the essence of the warrior job(inner beast) and shit on it and toss us some crap paladin abilities.


VERY UN happy warrior.

[KristianFortNox]

What's wrong of Warrior taking less damage when using some of your abilities. You rather die faster yea Warrior Have more HP then Paladin and more DD. It all useless if you can't take damage. I am sorry that your UN happy warrior but other warrior could be happy. Yes it true the Warrior Hard class with different combo and etc etc. But all that is useless if you can't hit. Even then What i am saying be thrown in my face depending who is playing the warrior every person is different you can tell me everyone have be like you. Yea big talk coming from Paladin who have one combo and all defensive abitiles..true I have no DD thats okay that why I have team for. We all help each other.