DON"T DO IT !

[Shurrikhan]

It was fundamentally necessary to decouple Wrath and the healing bonus. I explained this in gory detail in a previous thread.

Thank you for the link. I had missed this before. Great post.

I think the only reason for any resistance to your comments come from whatever Warriors are used to doing that they feel special about, such as already only using Inner Beast with Infuriate such that the flat-scaling conflict seems to be skipped over, etc. The Wrath-heal coupling makes us choose between burst restoration and heal scaling when used more than per minute, which often makes the job feel more interesting, but I'll agree that it is probably more like a prized war wound.

I'm sure I'll get used to whatever changes are brought out, but especially since I don't plan on grabbing separate AF+1 gear for each tank, I'd like to have separate reasons for playing my PLD vs. my Warrior for a particular fight. I'd like them to remain separate in feeling, though I certainly wouldn't mind Warrior feeling a little twitchier, as the short-duration mitigation plans to make it. That's all from a gameplay-enjoy-ability perspective though, which is still at the mercy of actual balancing.

[pepero]

How did you play in beta if your join date says Sep 2013?

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

the new changes are homogenizing the tanks.

Even with the addition of some damage reduction skills (Vengence, Storms Path, Inner Beast)
the play styles of the two tanks are still very different.

Brutal Swing vs. Shield Bash
Off GCD vs On GCD

Storms Path vs Rage of Halone
Reduces Damage Dealt by Enemy + Heals on self vs Reduces Enemy Strength + Enmity
(Warriors need to pay attention to when they use Storms Path because it doesn't grant Enmity
vs Paladins able to keep Rage of Halone active for entire fights.)

Holmgang vs Hollowed Ground
Hp can't be reduced below 1 vs Immunity to incoming damage from most attacks
Both skills are reactive but Holmgang seems harder to time. (Tryndamere time for League of Legends fans)

They seem pretty different to me even post patch.

[Phreak]

30 dps over a 5 minute fight is 9000 more damage try again pal.

And i do a lot more than 30 more dps vs a paladin try about 100

Your just a troll and a stupid one, so I'm gonna ignore you.

Whelp nothing to see here, just another WAR playing along side bad PLDs so they don't feel as bad.

[Jahaudant]

Maim : Unchained : Internal Release : Berserk

Posting in a perfect rotation thread.

[Ipkonfig]

You must run with awful DPS if you think Overpower has great enmity, Flash spam on PLD is so much more effective. Storm's Path will be AMAZING with the changes, if you aren't MT you can still give whatever you are fighting a damage reduction debuff and help the group. Currently all being a Warrior does is hinder your group. Holmgang... I assume you've tanked Garuda, you can Holmgang the adds, makes it easier to keep them out of the group. Mercy Stroke change is most likely about the cross class ability of it and not directly for WAR. You realize you contradict yourself correct?

"healers don't have trouble healing me"
"but this is a saving grace move that helps keep me alive"

So if healers don't have trouble keeping you alive why do you need the 300% Inner Beast? The change to Wrath is completely necessary in current 8 man content if you are using your Wrath without Infuriate to instantly gain 5 stacks again you are causing healing inefficiency. With two healers healing you, you will never outpace the 15% more healing with Inner Beast's heal, and will most likely cause a large amount of over healing. Steel Cyclone is terrible. I just tried to touch on a few topics quickly, since regardless of what we say this guy is going to remain a moron.

In conclusion Mr. Mchoogs, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read what you wrote. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Lemon8or]

I don't get why you need to unchained before inner beast. It ignores the damage penalty from Defiance already.

[Devils]

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Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[ZDamned]

I don't get why you need to unchained before inner beast. It ignores the damage penalty from Defiance already.

Hey man, it's a PERFECT rotation!

PS I also LOVE how he thinks paladins only deal 70-80 DPS, since based on his gear, (370 Strength, and no +1 Relic) He can probably cap out at 180 assuming using berserk immediatly when it's up, and hitting up Butchers Block as if he didn't care about enmity. He DID say he deals 100 more DPS than Paladins.

That being said, My Paladin already deals more than 100 DPS, and I do NOT have my Curtana +1.

All based on a Training Dummy of course.

[Techro]