Summon size have you down? why not have it your way?

[Hoshikogi]

I've been a long time fan of Summoners throughout many FF games. I'm ok with the current implementation. I really have no idea what all the fuss is about. Does the size of the EGI really ruin people's immersion so bad that they forget they are playing an FF game and think they are a Warlock in WoW?

EGI is not a full on Summon. There is nothing to compare to previous games, because EGIs were not used there. You summoned Ifrit himself, not a fraction of Ifrit's power. It is the only way to make sense of it in a world where you can have potentially unlimited numbers. There is only one Ifrit, you can't have multiple people summoning 1 guy. Hence the EGIs.

If you completed the summoner quest lines, you will realize that the summons are not their intended sizes. If the BLM's tier III spells were the size of a Lala's head or Holy the size of Garuda Egi, both players of these jobs would complain as they did back in 1.0.

Since I'm requesting that the player have the choice on how summons are viewed on their screen (or viewed at all from other players), why should you be so negatively concerned at all with my post? If SE considers my request, you will have the option to maintain the summon's compact form.

[Hoshikogi]

Hmm... less likes than there are posts complaining about Egi size combined. Come on guys! I know there's more ppl out there who wish Egi were slightly larger, other players who wish they could hide the summons entirely, and those wonderfully sympathetic players who like the way Egi currently exist but would like others to feel greater satisfaction from the job =). (Hoshi knows he likes the capacity to reduce spell effects from other party members while tanking --> I.E.)

[Nemhy]

Hmm... less likes than there are posts complaining about Egi size combined.

Maybe nowadays but like 3weeks before launch - 2 weeks after launch? ALL people talked about when it came to Summoner. OMG THIS ISNT A SUMMONER MUH IMMERSION

[ZethRyl]

TLDR; the thing that is keeping me from leveling a summoner isn't the size, it's that they are one solid colour. I don't know if this has been mentioned at all but if they could at least give them a little bit of a colour variance it would be a huge plus for me; as they are right now it just looks like someone used an auto-fill on all of them. I know they said they didn't want to change the appearance but seriously, am I the only one bugged by this? If so I will stop talking.

[ZethRyl]

Hmm. I may get flame bombed for this... But a thought occurred to me. What if, when you summoned your egi, YOU became the summon and your PC went on passive and followed the summon around? That could potentially solve the size and immersion problem, right? Summons could be on a cool down system so that the spells you have as a player wouldn't be wasted. That could also be linked with the unique Limit Break comment I read in here that could be used while that summon was active, but would use the party's Limit Break and end the summon. I know this is almost 100% unlikely, but I thought it would be a nice idea.

[Pentacus]

Hmm. I may get flame bombed for this... But a thought occurred to me. What if, when you summoned your egi, YOU became the summon and your PC went on passive and followed the summon around? That could potentially solve the size and immersion problem, right? Summons could be on a cool down system so that the spells you have as a player wouldn't be wasted. That could also be linked with the unique Limit Break comment I read in here that could be used while that summon was active, but would use the party's Limit Break and end the summon. I know this is almost 100% unlikely, but I thought it would be a nice idea.

that would be a nice idea actually. if the summoner became a healing pet like eos/selene (for abilities, they could get Physick, Sustain, Rouse, and Spur), but focused only on you, whilst you gained abilities based on what summon you currently are (and the regular abilities for when you're just the summoner), then it would be a VERY interesting class to play (especially since you'd have to make sure your "pet" stayed alive, you can be resummoned, "You" can't :P). of course then people would cry about how SMN's can fill any role they want and demand summoners get nerfed because of that (which is a stupid argument since they can just go and level the class they want, or hell, even SMN)

[Pentacus]

If you completed the summoner quest lines, you will realize that the summons are not their intended sizes. If the BLM's tier III spells were the size of a Lala's head or Holy the size of Garuda Egi, both players of these jobs would complain as they did back in 1.0.

Since I'm requesting that the player have the choice on how summons are viewed on their screen (or viewed at all from other players), why should you be so negatively concerned at all with my post? If SE considers my request, you will have the option to maintain the summon's compact form.

on the other hand, the egi in the summoner quests are "free", you've literally just used the primal's aether to call "an egi", you're likely limiting the egi's power when you summon it yourself to make it easier to control (eg, a candle is much easier to control than, say, a bonfire, and easier to snuff out if it gets out of control). it's not played up as much as the warlock pets in WoW (mainly since the lock pets have personalities, eg. imps are there because you have a contract, voidwalkers are there because you force them to be, felguards despise you for daring to summon them and only do what you say because you can kick their ass at any time), but egi do have SOME free will, they only do what you say because you beat them in combat and proved that if they rebel you'll just kill them. imagine if a summoner lost control of the quest titan-egi midway through a HM-Titan fight, there'd be landslides and razed earth everywhere... oh right EX-Titan :P

before you bring up tristan, remember that he has been a summoner much longer than you have been, and that he was making deals with the ascians for more power, and he was able to just consume belias-egi, so he was likely able to release an egi's full power whenever he wanted (that said, I'd love that ability to merge with your egi and get an additional ability at the cost of your pet)

it's possible that at some point down the line, maybe when the level cap is raised, we'll get a summoner quest where we prove that we're strong enough to command the full power of an egi, and then we'll get the larger summons

[Hoshikogi]

before you bring up tristan, remember that he has been a summoner much longer than you have been, and that he was making deals with the ascians for more power, and he was able to just consume belias-egi, so he was likely able to release an egi's full power whenever he wanted (that said, I'd love that ability to merge with your egi and get an additional ability at the cost of your pet)

it's possible that at some point down the line, maybe when the level cap is raised, we'll get a summoner quest where we prove that we're strong enough to command the full power of an egi, and then we'll get the larger summons

To begin, SE developers already said they do not intend to change the Egi's size or appearance as we progress in level or in content (something that's not necessarily set in stone). Second, the untamed-Egi we summon initially and defeat is much too large for a player's pet (with this I agree entirely); however, Tristan's Egi is the size I believe most Final Fantasy fans are desiring. SE summoner developers made the mistake of maintaining their intended Egi size For Tristan's Egi during the cut scenes and during the quest fights, which does tend to have a negative impact on the perception of the job as a whole.

[Hoshikogi]

But let us not forget the intent of this post. It's purpose was not for a progressive change of the functionality of summons, but simply asking for a feature in the settings that allow the viewer a choice of displaying the summons as they are (compact), slightly larger scale (to match Tristan's Egi size), or to hide summons all together on screen. Remember that change can occur, but only at reasonable steps at a time.

[MangoSea]

Love the idea OP. It seems a fair way for those of us from FFXI to get a small taste of what we used to have. I understand that SE will never re-design the Egi's. It would cost time, money, and resources that they can get away without spending at all. I support your idea, and you have earned a like from me