Threat rotation once I hit 50

[MirielleLavandre]

Hello all,
I've been looking through the threads and couldn't seem to find a conclusive answer, so I figured I'd ask the tanking community what is the best thread rotation once I hit 50 and get Circle of Scorn? For running lower level dungeons w/ LS mates, I usually just use the flash/riot to get MP and also the RoH combo while cycling through trash pack mobs, occasionally using shield lob and/or provoke if a mob gets away.

Now that I have Spirits Within and soon Circle of Scorn, I'm not sure what the best rotation would be for trash mobs and also what would be best to begin/get hate doing primals and bosses in WP/AK. Any help would be really appreciated ^_^v

[Leiron]

Both Spirits within nd Circle of scorn are off the normalized GCD.
So you can use them during your combo.

So for your normal single target enmity combo of Fast blade, savage blade, Rage of Halone, you can insert a Spirits within and Circle of scorn during the combo.
Your enmity combos generally remain unchanged because of the oGCD nature of those two abilities.

[Steeled]

Alright... once you're decently geared, this should get you by with single target dps and healers.

Flash >> CoS* >> FB >> SB >> RoH >> repeat

Or, you may like Flash >> CoS* >> FB >> SB >> Flash >> RoH >> repeat

* Let the mobs gather as much as possible for scorn, try to have it ready at the beginning of each aoe pull (I don't use it to kill one target). While a new tank, you might find healers or blms sleeping things for you, so be mindful to get CoS in early. The initial hit will wake mobs, but the bleed damage will not.

Facing aoe (Summoners, some BLMs, many bards, competent scholars), you want to at least double stack flashes, but honestly, I tend to flash til at least half through my MP and then concern myself with tabbing through, maintaining hate, and restoring mp).

As Swipe is on the GCD, don't concern yourself with it. There are better things you can do with that gcd for your enmity gain. Once you catch up on gear, you'll have a little bit of freedom.

[Pesmergia]

Flash > Circle of Scorn > Fast Blade on #1 > Spirits Within (its off global) > Savage Blade > target #2 and Rage of Halone > Flash > target #1 and full combo. After each combo flash more if you got someone aoeing. Spirits within with fast blade, savage, and the initial flash/CoS should hold the 1st mob until you're back on it.

Use spirits within everytime it's up, if you pull a caster like in AK, just save it for a Void Thunder 3, Void Fira, or another magic attack, if it's not a caster, use it as a threat tool on cd everytime.

[Doot]

How do people feel about opening with an uncomboed Rage of Halone?

[Paikis]

How do people feel about opening with an uncomboed Rage of Halone?

Bad idea, animation is too long. Use Savage blade if you must use something uncomboed.

[Vortok]

Bad idea, animation is too long. Use Savage blade if you must use something uncomboed.

Should only matter if it takes longer before you can press something that's off the global than with Savage Blade (and you want to press something at that time). GCD is the same for either attack after all. The threat multiplier on Halone (or Butcher's) is superior than Savage Blade/Skull Sunder.

I've generally found that opening with a Shield Throw (on the primary target, of course) as you run in is a better idea then either ability uncomboed. Flash or two after should be enough until you get through an initial combo.

There are times where I'll use a Halone (or Butcher's Block) without the combo, usually when there's an add midfight that's near you and you need something before you start your combo to keep it off the healer initially. I think that Shield Lob/Tomahawk is better threat than Savage Blade/Skull Sunder (with no combo), though they're similar.

[Steeled]

With flash and lob/toma available to both tanks, I can't see a reason to use RoH uncombo'd.

For instance, I was tanking both Garuda and the red line add ever since I had ifrit's sword and never had an issue even in the high healing situation and my opener was always lob>flash>combo

[MirielleLavandre]

Thanks for the informative and helpful info all ^_^v I appreciate it!

[glen7187]

From my own experience I believe some things are situational.

For normal trash mobs I usually open Shield Lob > Flash > CoS > Flash > FB > SB > RoH on main mob, then I do FB > SB then RoH on a different mob, then FB > SB then RoH on a different mob, just to try to keep good aggro on all mobs.

If you're doing something like a speed run or you have more than 3 mobs pulled, I would just spam Flash and CoS until you run out of MP then Riot Blade a couple times then Flash again until you're down to 1-2 mobs then start using your RoH combo.

I find that when I'm undergeared compared to the others in my party I will sometimes do a few RoH uncomboed after a Combo'd RoH to help keep me ahead in aggro. This is because the time it takes me to do the whole combo may be too long before the others take the aggro away from me so I spam a few RoH's to try to keep my aggro ahead. This is only because I'm undergeared compared to them though. If you are the same gear or overgeared then there shouldn't be any need to use RoH uncombo'd.