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    HamHam's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandastirfry View Post
    Yes consumers want things at the cheapest price, sellers want to charge the highest price... I suggest you keep reading your Econ 101 book until you get to the chapter in "equilibrium price"

    Again, if NPCs are selling for less than you are your prices are asking more than the market will bear.
    Haha, you just proved that I do read my "Econ 101 book".

    where in there didn't I make my self clear? Consumers want to buy at the cheapest price, but this is not a discussion about the demand side, but the supply side. The market right now is saturated with items that is not selling because the alternative, provide by the game out of thing air, is the competition.

    A supplier can't compete in a market where the product is massively produced out of thing air. (this concept mostly applies to cyber items)

    If my competition can make items out of nothing, but it takes me time to prepare the ingredients, material etc... and some items have to be bought at high prices, then how can anyone compete with that? The supplier can't compete in a market constructed like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HamHam View Post
    Haha, you just proved that I do read my "Econ 101 book".where in there didn't I make my self clear? Consumers want to buy at the cheapest price, but this is not a discussion about the demand side, but the supply side. The market right now is saturated with items that is not selling because the alternative, provide by the game out of thing air, is the competition.

    A supplier can't compete in a market where the product is massively produced out of thing air. (this concept mostly applies to cyber items)

    If my competition can make items out of nothing, but it takes me time to prepare the ingredients, material etc... and some items have to be bought at high prices, then how can anyone compete with that? The supplier can't compete in a market constructed like this.
    And this problem is not due to NPC's. It is due to the fact that ANYONE can BE ANY and ALL Crafters.

    The market is what it is right now. It has gotten better since SE put the binding on immediately after first fight rather then when it became spirited.

    There is no way to fix it. True free markets fix itself over time. Any tinkering with that process screws it up.
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    Impurrrsive's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HamHam View Post
    but this is not a discussion about the demand side, but the supply side.
    that's true, this mainly concerning suppliers, but what does the consumers do? they compare prices (of course those who don't know just buy what they see)
    that's where consumers comes in this discussion, so we need to adapt >.< game economy entirely on players is super awesome, i totally understands u, but they'll never discard the npc

    Quote Originally Posted by HamHam View Post
    The market right now is saturated with items that is not selling because the alternative, provide by the game out of thing air
    nope, not because of competition >.< mostly because there is no demand, for NQ that have higher price than npc of course they will chose npc, even without npc they will chose seller that have lower price, and some NQ gear is given in quest. most NQ gear have drop far low then npc, why? too many supplier for NQ item and only a few choose to buy NQ item, nothing will change even if npc is remove

    Quote Originally Posted by HamHam View Post
    A supplier can't compete in a market where the product is massively produced out of thing air.
    that is totally insane >.< we cant compete with npc, we just can take advantage of their fix price, to win over consumer

    Quote Originally Posted by HamHam View Post
    If my competition can make items out of nothing, but it takes me time to prepare the ingredients, material etc... and some items have to be bought at high prices, then how can anyone compete with that? The supplier can't compete in a market constructed like this.
    that is what we call profit over the cost, u can choose to collect mats urselve
    thats reduce the cost to 0, i understand it is not easy >.< but thats what business is about, effort.
    i know some of the mats are expensive ie: diremite web 300 each and u need 12 to craft 1 glove, for NQ how much do u get? only 1K gil top it is insane loss >.< but for HQ it can be 4K clearly HQ is more profitable. op for HQ, gather ur mats and u'll be happy, theres no easy gill in crafting but gathering yes
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    Last edited by Impurrrsive; 12-01-2013 at 01:13 AM.