Reason why DF people fail Titan

[One_WingedAngel]

DF fail titan is a myth, I do df titan with my whm when I am bored, as long as you willing to stick with it everyone learn eventually.
Titan requires something very different to all other fight that gone before, it is unforgiving, knowing the rotation/position is everything, doesn't matter how skilled you are it will take time to learn.

And for the record, you can beat titan in AF gear if everyone knows what they are doing and you can easily carry 3-4 people in titan depending on your gear.

[diulalasing]

a lot of people in DF is undergeared but refused to acknowledged it

[Aegis]

It's just dodging. That's it. That's all of it.

If you are i60 or above, even a moderate DPS from everyone will down the heart (with a LB in some cases). After that, no matter how long the fight lasts, the healers can manage as long as they only have to heal the tank and tumults.

But dodging is the hard bit. Until someone helped me tweak my LAN settings I had to be dodging plumes before they appeared (EU player here). After that tweak I can now dodge plumes every time after they appear.

Honestly, if they were at a reasonable price, I would buy a run just to get seven other people who can dodge reliably (or who are geared enough to be able to lose someone pre-heart).

[Mycow8me]

The reason people fail at titan is because they either:
A. Lack focus
B. Lack the ability to learn a pattern
C. Lag
D. Its their first time
E. All of the above

Titan is one of those bosses that requires everyone to be at the top of their game alive and doing their part till at least after heart phase where 3-5 skilled players can still pull it off.

I believe part of this is due to the fact of other RPGs being way to laxed. You sit there and press a button every now and then, has little to do with motion or even having to evade attacks. If you played ffxi for years then came to this one, it was like a whole new ball game for bosses. You can't just sit there and hit the mob while you go get a soda or make pancakes. You have to be focused ALL THE TIMES and READY FOR ANYTHING. Boss uses herp, in response you derp.

[Seig345]

The people who try to skip having to shout for/form their own in-server Titan HM party, and then ragequit after 2 wipes aren't really helping the DF scene either...

Winding up in a group with one or more players who take longer to figure things out than you do/did isn't a streak of "bad luck", it's a simple fact of what you're signing up for when you sign up for a DF PUG. You don't lose exp from dying, and the repair bills are laughable now. Even more so if you go to the small effort of farming a low level material that sells fast.

In the end, you're far more likely to waste more time (yours and those in the pugs you're ditching) playing DF Pug roulette hoping you get put with an LS group that's DFing for 1 open slot that just happens to be the role you're playing (which sounds like asking to be carried if you ask me), than simply forming your own in-server party and actually sticking with it. otherwise, find an endgame LS or something.

[NeruMew]

People giving up is definitely one of the problems in new content (i.e. within 3 months of it becoming available), not being able to take replacements is the final blow. I've even had a party that could consistently down the heart, then the off-tank (warrior) quits, and then a DD quits, then a healer, then 2 DDs and that was it.

I don't really know why primal fights prohibit replacements. Perhaps it was to force people to stick with a party. But that is not consistent with the design of DF. DF is a efficiency machine. It is all about efficiency. But it's replacement policies are anything but efficient. For example, no replacements in primal fights, and then there's making in-progress matching an opt-in.

If it really was about efficiency, it should have allowed replacements in primal fights, and make in-progress matching an inherent default (first timers get new instances obviously). That would have be the most efficient.
Perhaps what it really is about, is the efficiency on the server of making matches, not the efficiency for players. In that case the current design is understandable.

Agree, the join a already started run should be mandatory and allowed for pre-made parties (you can't use it unless you are alone right now). And primals should be able to refill group, this is the most silly thing, not having it kind of beats the uses DF down to the ground, in fact, it's one of the biggest issues why it's so hard to kill it with DF, and this is because even if you have a good group, if someone leaves, byebye good group.

[Gucci_Charms]

DF anti-socials = loss.

[RedAntares]

I kinda agree with the OP, from what I've seen with most of the parties that fail at Titan it's because they aren't geared well enough to do enough DPS on heart phase or to survive the Tumults on phase 5. I've seen people enter with full normal AF, white acc or low ilvl wep as DPS.

I even had some awesome parties that knew what to do, dodged everything and still failed because most of the DPS where with really low ilvl gear and couldn't kill the heart in time.

[Estellios]

I was DF'ing Titan for my PLD relic and I would just have some bizarre problems like having 2 DPS with relics, entire party up during heart phase, and STILL not managing to kill the damn thing. Whenever I would get a really really good group someone would start getting connection issues and constant red squiggle status and basically force us to reluctantly exit that run.

My win was with a really good group and one iffy DRG that finally made it to the heart once they realized that maybe, just maybe, using Jumps that lock you in place in a fight where standing still kills you is not the best idea after you have been landslided 3 times because of it.

But then I go do a Hydra for my friend and have a PUG Relic +1 PLD dying because they can't get out of White Breath and not moving Hydra out of the AOEs so melee can actually attack it, adds not dying even with two ranged relic DPS, and a relic WHM that never avoided Fear Itself in 5 attempts and several times ran away from hydra when it was being cast so everybody is probably getting carried and remaining terrible.

[Raminax]

I was DF'ing Titan for my PLD relic and I would just have some bizarre problems like having 2 DPS with relics, entire party up during heart phase, and STILL not managing to kill the damn thing. Whenever I would get a really really good group someone would start getting connection issues and constant red squiggle status and basically force us to reluctantly exit that run.

Story of my life at the moment. -_- (Except I haven't won yet.)

Doesn't help that I just feel like a rag doll to beat up for Titan, either. In my desperation to feel useful, I created macros to announce the skill rotations for each phase and another to warn for incoming Weights/Plumes... yet people still die left and right to them. ;_;