Awfully weak story... or is it? [WARNING:SPOILERS]

[Jinrya-Geki]

I had to lol at that one, using one bad guy's word to justify said bad guy's faction's actions. Maybe someone need to pay more attention to in-game texts, here's one straight from a main story NPC:



but hey, it was all really for the best, just like how Imperial Japan brought "stability and prosperity" to the rest of Asia, and comfort women were really volunteers right?

The same can be said for a good man with a few bad eggs in his military. One man can not control every action his troops take when they are around.

One soldier was viciously cutting down an already dead man in the Waking Sands when they took Minfilia. The White armored commander shot that imperial for disobeying her and she's obviously fiercely loyal to Gauis. She could be copying what Gauis would have done.

Unless I see a cutscene specifically showing showing something truly immoral I can't believe he was a truly bad guy.

There is far more evidence to show he was a man trying to do his way for the greater good. Like Durian from the Wtachmen, killing millions to save billions.

[Aenarion]

The same can be said for a good man with a few bad eggs in his military. One man can not control every action his troops take when they are around.

One soldier was viciously cutting down an already dead man in the Waking Sands when they took Minfilia. The White armored commander shot that imperial for disobeying her and she's obviously fiercely loyal to Gauis. She could be copying what Gauis would have done.

Unless I see a cutscene specifically showing showing something truly immoral I can't believe he was a truly bad guy.

There is far more evidence to show he was a man trying to do his way for the greater good. Like Durian from the Wtachmen, killing millions to save billions.

You're really grasping at straws here.

Did Hitler personally run the camps? Did Tojo gas and experiment on prisoners himself? Of course not, dictators seldom do the dirty works themselves, but did they authorize it? hell yes. Gaius RULED Ala Mhigo, to suggest that labor camps and systemic exploitation of the local population could be the work of "a few bad eggs" in a super-authoritarian state is laughably ignorant at best.

Seriously, the examples you're using, it's like claiming a mass serial killer is actually a nice guy because he helped an old lady cross the street in the morning. FFS, that scene in the Waking Sands is to show thte players how ruthless and how little Livia cared for people's lives, even one of their own.


FFXIV isn't some deep philosophical character study, Gaius is about as typical as it gets for your sunday morning ruthless tyrant B that tried to rule with an iron fist, which has only been done about 238749023847283907 different times already.

[Jinrya-Geki]

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Why are you using actual history in a game for one thing.

And yes characters are very boring in this game. God forbid I use my imagination and interpretations of what I see as a way to make someone more interesting. Other than Gauis, Darnus, Cid, and Hildibrand, no one else is worth remembering.

If he were really that bad would the first thing out of his mouth after seeing Ultima true power in Praetorium really be "I didn't want this"? I'd picture a maniacal laugh.

[Aenarion]

Why are you using actual history in a game for one thing.

And yes characters are very boring in this game. God forbid I use my imagination and interpretations of what I see as a way to make someone more interesting. Other than Gauis, Darnus, Cid, and Hildibrand, no one else is worth remembering.

If he were really that bad would the first thing out of his mouth after seeing Ultima true power in Praetorium really be "I didn't want this"? I'd picture a maniacal laugh.

The examples were there to point out the massive holes in your reasoning.

Feel free to RP to your heart's content and interpret things however you like, but this isn't a RP thread, wrong place if you didn't want people poking holes in your setup. Also, not every "bad guy" need to be a Kefka-level megalomaniac, but I did find Gaius's reaction to be rather hypocritical - he's done far worse to others than what happened in Praetorium.


Also another correction, Hildebrand is the ONLY memorable character so far

[Jinrya-Geki]

The examples were there to point out the massive holes in your reasoning.

Feel free to RP to your heart's content and interpret things however you like, but this isn't a RP thread, wrong place if you didn't want people poking holes in your setup. Also, not every "bad guy" need to be a Kefka-level megalomaniac, but I did find Gaius's reaction to be rather hypocritical - he's done far worse to others than what happened in Praetorium.


Also another correction, Hildebrand is the ONLY memorable character so far

Not role-playing, just perceiving it different.
Dark Souls is notorious for this. You have 2 sides, one wants you to allow the bonfires to be kindled for the sake of the age of fire, while the other side wants darkness to reign. Both sides manipulate you to doing what they deem as "good". Though in actuality neither of them is good. Cause the light path needs you to sacrifice humans to light the fires which ends up making undead, and if you don't link the flames darkness reigns which is bad as you can see if you play the Abyss DLC.

So when I see Gauis, who has laid out what he wants in front of me, I have less questions to ask.

Versus

Grand Companies and Minfilia's group. They have lied, killed and raped as well. they are no different that the Imperials.

The only difference between them is that the Imperials have there shi* together and actually doing something about it. What happened to Minfilia's idea about making peace with the beastmen? It's gone, now she wants them dead as much as the GCs do.

it's just the lesser of two evils.

[Felis]

What happened to Minfilia's idea about making peace with the beastmen? It's gone, now she wants them dead as much as the GCs do.

She never said "go and kill all the beast tribes"
The Garleans on the other site ...

The Garlean solution to the primal problem is killing all the beast tribes. No beast tribes = no primals.
You can see that Minfilla search another solution.

Hello, what's going on in this thread? Oh, Ala Mhigo or Garlean, you ask?

Well, Ala Mhigo has WIDARGELT.

So...hail Gaius!

And Garlemald had Darnus, so what?

[KaleHitsuga]

So when I see Gauis, who has laid out what he wants in front of me, I have less questions to ask.

Versus

Grand Companies and Minfilia's group. They have lied, killed and raped as well. they are no different that the Imperials.

Who did the GCs and Minfilia rape? Some a-hole in Ul'dah threatens to, and suddenly all of Eorzea is branded rapists apparently. The GCs kill only for defense of the realm, even if the local militaries of each nation are a bit more liberal in that sometimes, and the Scions never asked you to kill anyone until Gaius' "surrender or face extermination with the beastmen" statement. As for lying, well, everyone lies. Just depends what it is for.

[Aenarion]

Not role-playing, just perceiving it different.
Dark Souls is notorious for this. You have 2 sides, one wants you to allow the bonfires to be kindled for the sake of the age of fire, while the other side wants darkness to reign. Both sides manipulate you to doing what they deem as "good". Though in actuality neither of them is good. Cause the light path needs you to sacrifice humans to light the fires which ends up making undead, and if you don't link the flames darkness reigns which is bad as you can see if you play the Abyss DLC.

So when I see Gauis, who has laid out what he wants in front of me, I have less questions to ask.

Not every story follows the "both sides are equally good/bad" archetype, some are just simple clear cut stories. FFS, with your logic you'd probably argue Snow White was really the evil one, and the evil Queen was really just misunderstood.

Grand Companies and Minfilia's group. They have lied, killed and raped as well. they are no different that the Imperials.

Lie #1, proof or stfu. No, seriously, where did you even got that from?

What happened to Minfilia's idea about making peace with the beastmen? It's gone, now she wants them dead as much as the GCs do.

Lie #2, the only thing the Scions want as far as Beastmen goes is stopping the summoning of Primals, nothing else.

it's just the lesser of two evils.

Except one of them is of your own invention for some odd reason

[Cobayn]

Why are you using actual history in a game for one thing.

I'd like to point out that all writers look to real history for inspiration on their fictional stories.

It's not just cause it sounds cool that garleans all have 'roman empire-ish' names, it's a way to let the reader/player get an idea about just who these people are by linking it to a real-world history counter-part. The romans did good things: roads, aquaducts, civil laws, etc. But they also enslaved people who didn't want shit to do with their way of life and murdered those they couldn't enslave.

My way or the high... death toll.

[Gardes]

It's not just cause it sounds cool that garleans all have 'roman empire-ish' names,

Speaking of which, our continent looks like..