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    Actually, for careful people, the story have setted the base for a lot of side-points to be expanded. I'll talk about this later. Meanwhile, i'll take the time to respond to some points:



    on Gaius:
    -he is all you said, but still, as you said, it's a conqueror. It's someone who believe what he's doing is right and everyone else it's wrong, and that don't make him a righteous.
    -The garlean empire it's far from being a good empire: his emperor it's driven by the conquest, and new territories are made one of them using indoctrination and coercion. This is better explained in 1.0.
    -Gaius didn't really offered a peace because it's a good guy: with a monster like the Ultima Weapon in hand the defeat of the city-state would been inevitable, and it was a way to force them to surrender without fighting. Mind you, even we players, if we didn't got "blessed" by Hydealyn would stand a chance. (quotes: read further below)
    - isn't a stereotype of a bad guy, but the kind of "different sides" villain: he have good and bad sides, but the fact endangers our home as a foreign conqueror put it as a bad guy, and it's our duty stop him.
    -the purpose of Gaius seems noble: conquer Eorzea, purging it by its false gods, and give people the stability they always wanted- at the cost of freedom and their soul, even if Gaius think otherwise

    -grand companies:
    -I don't know what point you're making in the first sentence
    -the primals are powerful beings, and very few amoung men can defeat them face-to-face. Also, it's stated the grand companies are in grave shortage of men: in these 5 year since the Calamity, grand companies and city-states has been busy rebuilding. they couldn't waste time dealing with beast tribes and garleans, that's the reason the territories around them have so much garlean stronghold around. (Expantion: the primals are so powerful even the very same Garleans can't take them lightly. Their advance of 20 yeasr ago was halted by the threat of the primals, or else at this time we would already been conquered)
    -And what's the problem about the generals don't ben the lords of the city-states? They are soldiers, not politicians, also it's not that accurate: the Admiral it's in fact the rovereign of Limsa Lominsa, not so sure about Kan-e-Senna. The only i'm sure it's Raubahn, for obvious reasons: the Sultana reign over Ul'dah, even if true power is at hand of the Syndicate.
    -wrong: since 5 years they don't do else then helping rebuilding.
    -This is hilarius, sorry. The fact we are supposely good don't mean we are fools. The garlean empire alone it's a terrific power, plus an abominion as Ultima Weapon, and maybe more from Lahabrea. Do you really this it would be a wise choice taking an army full of robotic machinas, war airships, and gun-weapons head-on, while the best we have is some magick and a pick on a stick ? please, tell me more.
    -read better, they are not ignoring nothing: they know their problems are still there and they have still lot of work in front of them. But they got the evidence if they work united as one they can overcome everything, even an invincible enemy. That's the message the story send.

    Now, as i said, there's a lot of hints more or less hidden in the story, which hints of the futures stories: [MAY CONTAIN HEAVY SPOILERS]
    -the ascians: first, they didn't tecnically betrayed the empire. Ultima was their triumph card, but Gaius never wanted bring such devastation. He wanted to rule over a reign, not pulverizing. However, the reasons why the ascians deal with the empire it's still unknown, and for now even contraddictory: they stated they need the power of the primals, but they helped the empire which goal is their annihilation.Why, it's still unknown
    -also, they stated the balance will be ruined forever if Hydaelyn would be allowed to live. What balance and why ?
    -In the cutscene after the credits, we see more of the soon-to--be-released ascians overlord. In their world, they again say they need the primal for awaken the only true god: zodiark
    -In praetorim, Gaius hit the mark: the Twelve we worship don't lay an hand in our help, unless we enpower them with aether, just like the primals, and like we did in 1.0 to prevent the descent of Dalamud (failing). Is it possible we are doing it wrong and worship an evil ?
    -Always on Hydaelyn, in the cutscene before credits we see with the Echo a purple Hydaelyn. A second mothercrystal? A corrupted Hydaelyn ? In the next story missions, we'll know for sure.
    -Take all these pieces together, and you'll understand there's something underway, and we could be doing wrong until now.

    further edit: while for many it's the same game, this is both a reboot and a sequel: the story it's a following of the previous 1.0 and that may confuse new players who don't know about it
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    Most of these points were actually explained or made obvious enough that you could work it out.

    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    -the ascians: first, they didn't tecnically betrayed the empire. Ultima was their triumph card, but Gaius never wanted bring such devastation. He wanted to rule over a reign, not pulverizing. However, the reasons why the ascians deal with the empire it's still unknown, and for now even contraddictory: they stated they need the power of the primals, but they helped the empire which goal is their annihilation.Why, it's still unknown
    The Ascians were manipulating the Garleans into feeding the Heart of Sabik (Ultima's core and power source) primal aether. Primal aether is what it uses to cast Ultima. Ultima is seen to be so powerful that Hydaelyn cannot defend against more than a single blast from it therefore it's fairly safe to say that Lahabrea wanted to use Ultima to decimate Eorzea and weaken/harm/destroy Hydaelyn in the process.

    We still don't know what the Heart of Sabik actually is but Lahabrea implies that it is an ancient Ascian device of some kind that they tricked the Allagans into using when they first constructed Ultima Weapon.

    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    -also, they stated the balance will be ruined forever if Hydaelyn would be allowed to live. What balance and why ?
    The balance between light and shadow. The Ascians have a link to the void and I'm pretty sure it's actually the 'shadow world' where the dark crystals (and warriors of shadow, assuming the game follows the motif established in FFIII) reside. The THM quest line explains that powerful voidsent cannot move from the void into Eorzea easily and instead must send their aether through to possess a host. I'm pretty sure the Ascians are doing the exact same, and are in fact simply VERY powerful voidsent. (Chances of the void being a future expansion focus are pretty damn high I think.)

    Lahabrea suggested earlier in the story that Hydaelyn had previously done something to transform the world from it's natural state so the Ascians seem to be retaliating against something she did. We still don't know what but it seems she isn't as 'good' as we're led to believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    -In the cutscene after the credits, we see more of the soon-to--be-released ascians overlord. In their world, they again say they need the primal for awaken the only true god: zodiark
    They're still somewhere in Eorzea, Lahabrea has just taken on a new host. It's also worth noting there are twelve of them. We also have twelve gods and Dalamud was held together by twelve swords. The number twelve is clearly important.

    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    -In praetorim, Gaius hit the mark: the Twelve we worship don't lay an hand in our help, unless we enpower them with aether, just like the primals, and like we did in 1.0 to prevent the descent of Dalamud (failing). Is it possible we are doing it wrong and worship an evil ?
    There are lost of theories in the lore forum about this one. We don't know for certain but there are many many hints in the game that the twelve are not truly gods. Even the FSH questline makes a subtle hint that The Twelve are little more than exaggerated folk stories in their level 50 quest. Considering all magic in Eorzea is simply aether given form it's not too hard to imagine a very large amount of aether could take on more... permanent forms.

    Quote Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi View Post
    -Always on Hydaelyn, in the cutscene before credits we see with the Echo a purple Hydaelyn. A second mothercrystal? A corrupted Hydaelyn ? In the next story missions, we'll know for sure.
    The dark mothercrystal is Zodiark. Somehow the echo that lets us commune with Hydaelyn also allowed Zodiark to briefly make contact with us. Interestingly it happened as Bahamut awoke, which implies Bahamut's power is somehow disrupting whatever force is sealing Zodiark away. You can see now why the Ascians wanted to release him...

    Anyway back on topic I thin this post makes it pretty clear that ARR's story is far from weak. The storytelling itself is average to good but the lore, history, setting and subtleties are actually very very complex. The thing is here that the main quest only gives you a vague overview of the story. A great deal of hints and clues as to what's really going on lie in some of the class and job quest lines.
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