Awfully weak story... or is it? [WARNING:SPOILERS]

[Vactus]

Admit? I've been trying to make the point from the start that they're both capable of evil. Way to not read the thread and blindly attack though.

If you seriously believe that was me 'attacking' you, then you are too blindsided from nerd rage to actually have a coherent thought. (That's an attack right there)

You were justifying on page 2 why it's better to chill with Gaius than any of the other city state leaders. He is worse than they are by miles (malms?), well maybe not Limsa, and you think you'd rather fight for him? You don't get a choice of anything when you're in his camp. It's the Garlean indoctrinated way or death. Period. End of story.

Everyone knows they're both capable of evil, but you're early points were that Gaius and the Garleans were some how less evil and in a sense better than the city state leaders. Which isn't true.

@Nero: I forget whom in this thread, but they said he wasn't a crazy murderer... apparently that person forgot when he gets introduced and straight up killed a guy. A guy that I think may have been a spy, but it doesn't outright say it. Still he kills him and anyone that gets in his way of surpassing Cid as the heir apparent to engineering power.

[Gamemako]

While it would have been nice to have a Langrisser 2 (Der Langrisser on SFC)-style story fork, it's basically impossible to accomplish in a modern MMO, especially with a persistent story arc. You would have to lock out Prae, CM, make two separate stories, etc, etc, and then somehow slam them all into the same spot at the end. At least in a single-player RPG, ending up in a different place ends with the end of the game. In an MMO, your character is still in the game world, and you have to pull them together not only within persistent endgame content but also for future expansions.

It's worth comparing to what SWTOR did with Flashpoints. In Cademimu, light-side Imperials would intervene with "Stop killing innocent Imperial citizens!" and dark-side Imps would just say "Capitulate, whelp!", but the action would be the same -- stop the guy by any means necessary. You'll have different motivations with the same outcome because you can't afford separate outcomes with in the game world.

(Re: the gods, the definition of Good King Moggle Mog XII as a "myth made manifest" makes me wonder if the Gods will be 12 incarnations of the five races' primals.)

[Nica]

tbh bluemage, the logic you're using is starting to sound like those who thinks that what Germany/Japan did in WW2 were actually good.

[Gamemako]

tbh bluemage, the logic you're using is starting to sound like those who thinks that what Germany/Japan did in WW2 were actually good.

And Godwin's law strikes again.

[saber_alter]

And Godwin's law strikes again.

you sir, win.

[BlueMage]

tbh bluemage, the logic you're using is starting to sound like those who thinks that what Germany/Japan did in WW2 were actually good.

Actually, I'm pointing out that all sides have committed crimes. But then, you seem the type who believes that America is always "the pure good guyz" and has never ever committed war crimes. Ironically, the country that was founded on "We're gonna forcibly take over these people's land with our superior technology." and still goes by that motto today. Sounds a bit like Garlemald.

[AnimaAnimus]

One thing that stood out to me is when Gaius is face to face with Garuda and she tries to enthrall him she says something along the lines of him already being enthralled by another primal... something along the lines of "You have already been touched by her". So I always assumed Gaius was being manipulated by another Primal, also a female (maybe Shiva?) to erase the primal threat and save the aether and the lands of Eorzea for her. Unless I missed something else. So my thought is there may be a larger primal threat who is using the empire to gather the aether for themselves.

[Vactus]

One thing that stood out to me is when Gaius is face to face with Garuda and she tries to enthrall him she says something along the lines of him already being enthralled by another primal... something along the lines of "You have already been touched by her". So I always assumed Gaius was being manipulated by another Primal, also a female (maybe Shiva?) to erase the primal threat and save the aether and the lands of Eorzea for her. Unless I missed something else. So my thought is there may be a larger primal threat who is using the empire to gather the aether for themselves.

I thought it was along the lines of an Ascian or Zodiark or something like that, not a normal primal, but something far more powerful.

[Kayokane]

One thing that stood out to me is when Gaius is face to face with Garuda and she tries to enthrall him she says something along the lines of him already being enthralled by another primal... something along the lines of "You have already been touched by her". So I always assumed Gaius was being manipulated by another Primal, also a female (maybe Shiva?) to erase the primal threat and save the aether and the lands of Eorzea for her. Unless I missed something else. So my thought is there may be a larger primal threat who is using the empire to gather the aether for themselves.

That's the PC whom garuda tried to enthrall, ans she was talking about Hydaelyn....

and then Gaius proceeds to curb stomp all three summoned primals with Ultima Weapon :3

[DragonSlayer45]

One thing that stood out to me is when Gaius is face to face with Garuda and she tries to enthrall him she says something along the lines of him already being enthralled by another primal... something along the lines of "You have already been touched by her". So I always assumed Gaius was being manipulated by another Primal, also a female (maybe Shiva?) to erase the primal threat and save the aether and the lands of Eorzea for her. Unless I missed something else. So my thought is there may be a larger primal threat who is using the empire to gather the aether for themselves.

Something about that cutscene seems odd. I always assumed she was talking to our player character, even though a second ago she was throwing a hissy fit at Gaius and a second later, she's all like "SHE TOUCHED YOU. DIE."