People forcing SRs in DF

[Zedine]

Honestly in almost every MMO the default leader is usually the tank. Not because of his skills or leadership qualities, but because when he turns that corner to see a room full of mobs aggro him, he wont die. Because he know he can take hits before the healer can pop a cure. There is a reason we use tanking classes. If the tank doesn't want to do something it could be because he can't or because the healer can' keep him alive. Not anything to do with the dps and how fast they can kill as a group. And if the Tank can and maybe just doesn't want to, then you have to consider why you are not doing the run his way, is it because you don't want to? Can you say he is being selfish when you are being the same? This applies the same way to tanks forcing speedruns.

Honestly I have no problems with WP speedruns, what bothers me is AK speed runs because they involve death pulls. That is right, its the tanks job to pull everything and die while the party moves up. And I don't know about the rest of you but I play the game to fight and tank and dying is the last thing I want to do. So why would I force it to save people a few minutes and lose money to repairs. Why would I do this for people who aren't even polite enough to say "Hi" at the start of a dungeon, or "thanks for the run" at the end. Especially if you did do a death pull. There are several threads of people complaining for more content yet here they are trying to use shortcuts on the content we do have.

Sit back and enjoy your game.

[Amocoru]

He probably queued up on his DPS while he shouted for an hour and couldn't get into a run because he wasn't a BRD or BLM. If I don't do WP SRs with my FC I can't get into any parties on my DRG even though it's VERY well geared. I'm almost full Myth/Allagan 330+ DPS my Doom Spikes crit anywhere between 500-600 but newp....gotta shout while in queue because I don't give TP or have infinite mana.

[Aegis]

I flag up for WP DF as WAR with my wife on SCH. This set up already means we can't do a true speed run.

My War is adequately geared (relic and all but 2 DL - this isn't my 'main') and my wife's SCH is better geared.

Consequently, I can set the speed of the run and I do so based on the party makeup.

Largely i90? As close to a true speed run as my gear allows
All relics? 2-3 groups per pull.
i-level 60-70 and no BLM? 2 groups per pull (give or take)
2 new players who've never done it before? 1-2 groups per pull and explanations before bosses.

The worst runs don't take 15 minutes longer than the best runs and the fact that I get insta-queues means I can afford to take my time with new players. I think a DD is the last person who should be concerned with how long a run takes. How much is 2-3 minutes really when you're waiting 30 mins between runs?

[Grailer]

I think a DD is the last person who should be concerned with how long a run takes. How much is 2-3 minutes really when you're waiting 30 mins between runs?

exactly . and the only reason I run semi SR in DF is to practise for full SR .

[Grailer]

I forced a speed run on a fresh healer , he did quite well too . It made me think that the healers I have in good gear that have got me killed aren't really that good .

WHM is definitely best healer for speed run btw , the fairy will heal me and pull agro most of the time before I even flash once . Unles of course they control the pet .

[Seezur_Undies]

I forced a speed run on a fresh healer , he did quite well too . It made me think that the healers I have in good gear that have got me killed aren't really that good .

WHM is definitely best healer for speed run btw , the fairy will heal me and pull agro most of the time before I even flash once . Unles of course they control the pet .

Yeah, i had that happen once, tank forced a SR, i healed it, towards the last boss, i make one error and get called everything but a person, told to learn my class or role a DD. Yeah. Tanks and DD forget....we litterally hold their life in our hands.....

[Grailer]

Yeah, i had that happen once, tank forced a SR, i healed it, towards the last boss, i make one error and get called everything but a person, told to learn my class or role a DD. Yeah. Tanks and DD forget....we litterally hold their life in our hands.....

Yeah not sure why people do that . Usually I just rez and carry on like nothing happened . If someone else in group wants to start drama then they opened a can of worms .

I like joining DF that are in progress because you don't get a penalty for leaving them .

[Kat_Manx]

I absolutely loathe the beginning of WP when it starts with no communication and you have to basically stand around for a while checking if the tank is pulling packs or if we are immediately going to start killing the first 2 tonberries or what.. also seems like tanks don't do gear checks on the DPS either, even though I was in OK gear and the tank was decked, the healer and and other DPS were basically running in their AF and even got a mapping the realm achievement once winning, yet the tank just goes ahead and pulls 25 mobs and yells "that deeps, people."

Also, is it just me, but 90% of the time in DF when they start attempting a speedrun, it actually goes slower than a normal run, due to all the deaths and whining? Bah, just pay attention to the gear and maybe re-asses the situation after the first pack of mobs, dear tanks.

[joshdavis271]

I absolutely loathe the beginning of WP when it starts with no communication and you have to basically stand around for a while checking if the tank is pulling packs or if we are immediately going to start killing the first 2 tonberries or what.. also seems like tanks don't do gear checks on the DPS either, even though I was in OK gear and the tank was decked, the healer and and other DPS were basically running in their AF and even got a mapping the realm achievement once winning, yet the tank just goes ahead and pulls 25 mobs and yells "that deeps, people."

Also, is it just me, but 90% of the time in DF when they start attempting a speedrun, it actually goes slower than a normal run, due to all the deaths and whining? Bah, just pay attention to the gear and maybe re-asses the situation after the first pack of mobs, dear tanks.

I like to go at a pretty fast pace, right after downing the first pack I pull the next pack, It's like taking a brisk walk into WP. but some DPS takes matters in their own hands and aggros the second pack while we are in the middle of the first, I thought I set the pace, but nope, gotta have tomes NAO!!! which means a 20-25 min run turned into a 30-40 min run real quick, then the guy leaves and has to wait 15 min+30 min for a tank. Very fast run huh?

[Ronove]

Also, is it just me, but 90% of the time in DF when they start attempting a speedrun, it actually goes slower than a normal run, due to all the deaths and whining? Bah, just pay attention to the gear and maybe re-asses the situation after the first pack of mobs, dear tanks.

It totally goes so much slower in DF if someone decides to do a speedrun. Especially if they don't tell anyone. I really don't mind speedruns at all, but you have to say "hey can we do a speedrun?" and if everyone agrees, go do it. But if someone disagrees, tough luck you are in duty finder might as well reach a common ground because it's just going to take a lot longer if you force people into a speedrun because there's probably a reason they don't want to do it.