Job Titles Not Class Renaming

[Cairdeas]

In Final Fantasy terms a Paladin was always a "Sword and/or shield user who used White Magic to assist in defending others from danger."

[Zenaku]

Sorry no in a interview they said they have two ideas

1:Tree-base PUG become A,B,C class and it more of a hybrid.
2:unlocked jobs like FFXI PUG become A or B Job and you set to that job and what it does.

Square einix should do version 2 allow us to unlock new jobs within our class this give us more of a uniques to our job and they can give us Gear that look for our jobs like FFXI monk,samurai,red mage, black mage.

This way we could have artifact armor for our unlock jobs i know for myself i dislike the fact that i'm a PUG and not a monk. I hope SE would do unlock jobs roles and it would have there own WS,spell and JA like how they did in ffxi.

[Cairdeas]

Thats not exactly what SE said though. They said that their options were

The first idea is that the traditional names would be introduced as “higher” or “advanced” classes. The traditional classes would thus be something of a goal for players.

The second idea is that the traditional names would be more of a subset or specialization within the existing classes.

The second one is exactly what My idea is.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Classes are jobs. Different words which describe the same idea. Is that too incomprehensible for some people?

I'd rather see a Black Mage, who casts black magic and not a Smukeltigloopagloppinwimwang who has no defined role.

On the topic of "Openness": the skill sets define the openness not the name of the classes.

I am all for SE swapping the skills around to make the jobs more specific or play more like their original FF series counterparts. We all play FF for our own reasons, but the majority of FF players I know love FF for its staple consistencies.

If you don't like that then go play another game dude.

[Cairdeas]

Classes are jobs. Different words which describe the same idea. Is that too incomprehensible for some people?

I'd rather see a Black Mage, who casts black magic and not a Smukeltigloopagloppinwimwang who has no defined role.

On the topic of "Openness": the skill sets define the openness not the name of the classes.

I am all for SE swapping the skills around to make the jobs more specific or play more like their original FF series counterparts. We all play FF for our own reasons, but the majority of FF players I know love FF for its staple consistencies.

If you don't like that then go play another game dude.

Square Enix themselves, Both Hiromichi Tanaka (Former Producer) Nobuaki Komoto (Former Director) stated multiple times that Classes are NOT Jobs and that Jobs could be built Out of Classes.

Conjurers are Direct cast magic users while Thaumaturges are Over Time Magic Users.

You can make a Black Mage or White Mage out of either of them.

They just need to define that in game and my system does that.


A Job is a very specific item Almost a Role but not that deep.

A Class is a very generic item that encompasses multiple jobs and multiple roles.

Character > Class > Job > role

Even WoW has the same architecture.

Character > Class > Tree > Role

[Galamantyl]

Square Enix themselves, Both Hiromichi Tanaka (Former Producer) Nobuaki Komoto (Former Director) stated multiple times that Classes are NOT Jobs and that Jobs could be built Out of Classes.

As much as I agree with you, sadly, Tanaka has no control over the direction of this game anymore. Which is a shame, because all of the games he's designed are fantastic! Even FFXIV during it's initial design and concept was great! It just wasn't finished.

It's funny because Tanaka did FFXI as well, which is what everyone wants this game to be. And yet many blame him for the outcome of this game.

[Cairdeas]

Nobuaki Komoto is still the lead designer though. and If I remember correctly I believe it might have been him that said it in an interview on Eorzeapedia I'm looking into it right now.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Classes are still the same thing as jobs

SE said that because they wanted FFXIV to differ from FFXI. A lot of other games either call your role a job or class. Role Class and Job are all the same meaning. We could argue this until the end of the world, it doesn't change the fact that the classes need to be renamed and the skills need to be reallacoted. Best example: we need a Black Mage and a White Mage

[Cairdeas]

But thats not true.

Class > Generic group of skills linked to a specific weapon that can be shared amongst other weapons to create a unique skill set.

Job > Selection of skill sets dedicated to a specific purpose filled out by the job itself.

Role > A task in combat that is necessary to fill to become successful.


A Gladiator is a class of Sword user who learns various sword skills and can become various Sword wielding Jobs.

A Paladin is a combatant that can use various weapons not always limited to swords but uses Holy Magic and defensive skills to defend his party members.

A Tank is a role in combat that requires someone with the skills to hold enmity and defend his party member.

A Gladiator can also be a Thief, Warrior, Fighter, Soldier, Dragoon, Ninja, Samurai, Bard, Berserker, Dark Knight, Paladin,

A Paladin can also be a Lancer, A Sentinal, a Marauder,

Any number of offensive Jobs and Classes and combinations of each can be Tanks.
A Paladin Can, a Marauder Can, a Gladiator Can, A Monk Can, A Samurai Can, etc.

We can even do it with other classes and jobs.

Conjurer is a Direct Magic casting class that deals direct damage or healing with a huge assortment of spells.

A White Mage is a Magic user that uses Healing abilities, Buffs, and Ensuna type spells to assist their party members in combat.

A Healer is a Role of someone who uses healing abilities in combat to assist the party.

A Conjurer can be a White Mage, a Black Mage or a Green Mage,

A White Mage can be a Conjurer or A Thaumaturge, They do not have to be one or the other.

Both Conjurer and Thaumaturge can fill the Healer Role, Just Like White mage, Oh yeah so can Paladin.


There is a very distinct difference between them in the scope of FFXIV. But I can keep going.


A Lancer can be a Thief, Paladin, Dragoon, Samurai, Warrior, Fighter etc.

A Dragoon can be a Lancer or Gladiator easily.

A Pugilist can be a Thief, Monk, Samurai, Ninja, Warrior, Fighter, Puppet Master,

A Thief can be a Pugilist, a Marauder, a Gladiator.





Ultimately what it comes down too is this.


Weapon

Skill Loadout

Use in Party/Quests.

Classes are the Weapons

Jobs are the Skill Loadouts

The role is their use in Parties.

[MagicofGaia]

Okay, so your definition of a Paladin is any dude who can wield a shield and wear armor? Instead of the more common traditional definition which was a holy warrior. Also, how would defender/paladin even come close to a dagger-wielding class?

My point is that Gladiator is too vague for a 'tanking' class to me. The term can be used way too broadly, and Paladin is more core to the idea of a protector in Final Fantasy.

If we actually are waiting to see something like Paladin in an advanced class in a broader picture, then I can withhold my comment. But in the available classes we have right now, that is simply my opinion.