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    Why not cast it whenever you don't need to heal and your mana isn't low? It has the added benefit of not drawing much threat.

    As they say, an ounce of prevention...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoroBoro View Post
    Why not cast it whenever you don't need to heal and your mana isn't low? It has the added benefit of not drawing much threat.

    As they say, an ounce of prevention...
    I do this.

    Though mostly, keep it on everyone. Tank tends to lose theirs fast of course, so I just recast before the next group. Or for bosses like Tonberry King, throw one out during battle before a bit hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaelah View Post
    I do this.

    Though mostly, keep it on everyone. Tank tends to lose theirs fast of course, so I just recast before the next group. Or for bosses like Tonberry King, throw one out during battle before a bit hit.
    If I had infinite mana I would recast stoneskin on the tank anytime everyone's HP are full. But as I'm learning battles I'm afraid to waste the MP.

    For example, I'll be doing Titan (level 34) for the first time, and know it's valuable to cast a certain times, but afraid to waste mana going for maximum uptime :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simaril View Post
    If I had infinite mana I would recast stoneskin on the tank anytime everyone's HP are full. But as I'm learning battles I'm afraid to waste the MP.

    For example, I'll be doing Titan (level 34) for the first time, and know it's valuable to cast a certain times, but afraid to waste mana going for maximum uptime :/
    You don't need a particular strategy in Normal Mode, just avoid aoes and stand as far as you can from the middle during Geocrush.
    Stoneskin or not, nothing changes.
    I find really useful to cast Stoneskin on the tank before Mountain Buster in Titan Hard Mode, and I usually try to swiftcast Stoneskin on the tank each pull, but only when we are doing 10 min speedruns.
    Until lv50 you don't need to worry that much about other than healing skills.
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    If I have WHM healer, I usually call out when I VIT pot and/or Thrill of Battle so he/she knows that SS effectiveness just went way up.

    Those can be some serious stoneskins (2k+).
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    Quote Originally Posted by YanDere View Post
    You don't need a particular strategy in Normal Mode, just avoid aoes and stand as far as you can from the middle during Geocrush.
    Stoneskin or not, nothing changes.
    I find really useful to cast Stoneskin on the tank before Mountain Buster in Titan Hard Mode, and I usually try to swiftcast Stoneskin on the tank each pull, but only when we are doing 10 min speedruns.
    Until lv50 you don't need to worry that much about other than healing skills.
    I understand your intent, but the reality of Duty Finder groups is that I can almost always make the groups better by doing a lot more than using the healing skills that I should need to (I mean this in general - not just Titan).
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    • Before fights
    • Before Tonberry's Grudge
    • Before Garuda's adds
    • After a WAR has popped Thrill of Battle


    With a good group that wont be dying I like to swift cast it when I notice or hear a WAR has popped Thrill of Battle. Its a nice damage cushion. Essentially, it gives them 1700 - 2000 HP more which is always nice.
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    Stoneskin is a prevention skill and HP buffer. With little to no threat at all.

    Conditions of using Stoneskin:
    - Tank has to be 5800 HP+ for Paladins 7,300 HP+ for it to be cost effective, or you having more than 5k MP.
    - Precast cancelling just like you would do on your Cures.
    - Buffer HP to negate 15% MaxHP weakness from DPS/Healer death in combat.
    - Counter against -50% Healing effect like White Breath debuff from Hydra and Death Sentence from Twintania.
    - If a debuff that has insufficient damage to break the Stoneskin the debuff WILL NOT apply, especially crucial for Twintania.
    - Predictable incoming spike, Rock Buster, Mountain Buster, Death Sentence.

    On as side note Shroud should be used when you dip 1k MP from max in an intensive MP consumption fight, let it dip 2k if it isn't. IF you have Mage Ballad on increase the threshold by 1k respectively and 3k if Battle Voice is used. (Cause most likely the Bard will keep Mage Ballad up for 30 seconds)
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    I'd like to add (if no one else has) that until you're level 50, Stoneskin starts to become a primary heal in the 40s range due to aggro mechanics.

    Also, stoneskin + regen is the best combo for speed runs. As you already pointed out, SS isn't devalued in cleric form, and regen in cleric form + properly timed SS applications will basically keep a decent-geared tank up enough for you to burn mobs.

    Don't bother pre-casting SS on Titan, except on the tank. Just not worth the carpal tunnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jyoeru View Post
    Don't bother pre-casting SS on Titan, except on the tank. Just not worth the carpal tunnel.
    This would depend on your tank. I don't use it to prevent damage, it's more to reduce the amount of enmity I get at the start of the fight. All those stomps and Geocrushes mean a lot of AoE healing and if I can negate the first set of stomps it gives the tank more of a change to get a good lead on me.

    Same applies to Garuda and her friction thing.
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