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Thread: Stoneskin

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    Taneshima Popura
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    Stoneskin is a prevention skill and HP buffer. With little to no threat at all.

    Conditions of using Stoneskin:
    - Tank has to be 5800 HP+ for Paladins 7,300 HP+ for it to be cost effective, or you having more than 5k MP.
    - Precast cancelling just like you would do on your Cures.
    - Buffer HP to negate 15% MaxHP weakness from DPS/Healer death in combat.
    - Counter against -50% Healing effect like White Breath debuff from Hydra and Death Sentence from Twintania.
    - If a debuff that has insufficient damage to break the Stoneskin the debuff WILL NOT apply, especially crucial for Twintania.
    - Predictable incoming spike, Rock Buster, Mountain Buster, Death Sentence.

    On as side note Shroud should be used when you dip 1k MP from max in an intensive MP consumption fight, let it dip 2k if it isn't. IF you have Mage Ballad on increase the threshold by 1k respectively and 3k if Battle Voice is used. (Cause most likely the Bard will keep Mage Ballad up for 30 seconds)
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    Jyoeru Zaberu
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    I'd like to add (if no one else has) that until you're level 50, Stoneskin starts to become a primary heal in the 40s range due to aggro mechanics.

    Also, stoneskin + regen is the best combo for speed runs. As you already pointed out, SS isn't devalued in cleric form, and regen in cleric form + properly timed SS applications will basically keep a decent-geared tank up enough for you to burn mobs.

    Don't bother pre-casting SS on Titan, except on the tank. Just not worth the carpal tunnel.
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    Jaidyn Sinclaire
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    I cast stone skin on only the tank usually, and if they are under geared myself, DDs should be watching their damage so they shouldnt need it. As for Coil, i have not been in there, so i cant advise there. As for SC/SS i do that during combat so i dont have to spam my cure II as often to bring a tank up and deal with agro. but that is just me.
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    How I see the new abilities:
    Asylum - Get ready for my holy spam because that's the only healing you gonna get.
    Aero III - I guess I should put some dots up before holy spamming.
    Assize - I need more MP to spam holy even more, also stop getting hit in the face.
    Tetragrammaton - I guess I should heal that tank now.
    Stone III - There's less than 3 mobs left alive. - Ragns Meuhie

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    Jarlax Gennocide
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal-El View Post
    What Nettle said about Cad split is a perfect time to cast. With a SCH popping a quick Alqo before the split as well you definitely give the OT a better chance in gaining threat.

    Not too sure if this worked but in T2 I had a WHM cast Stoneskin regularly to reduce stacks if it was timed well enough.

    Well that's what he said anyway. I was too busy silencing and switching with the OT to notice.
    I have noticed this, Stoneskin will mitigate any debuff, knockback or effect on any ability if the damage received from the ability does not exceede the stoneskin. So yes if you time stoneskin perfectly on T2 the hit attached to the stacks of the debuff is absorbed and it seems like the effect "the debuff" is tied directly to the damage caused. If no damage is caused then no debuff effect is given. A good easy example is stoneskin yourself and cast a ranged spell on a giant frog. When the frog does his tounge move that pulls you in, if it is absorbed by stoneskin then you don't get pulled. Same thing with demon wall etc.

    I was retesting this last night and went for over a minuite without the tank in T2 receiving stacks until I messed up my timing with stoneskin.
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    Baopee Dhen
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    When I tank, I would cast stone skin whenever there is break between attack. Just so I can do a little more to help healers. But mainly in HM primal fights.
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    Kelvena Visralia
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    Belias
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    Don't forget to cast one on Titan-Egis.
    It makes them... "Stoneskin"-ed....

    /Yyyyeaaaahhh!

    =.=
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    Parry Lyndon
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    Just try to Stoneskin the tank in Dzemael Darkhold against the All-seeing Eye (first boss). It lasts something like 30 seconds or more and you have to do nothing. Just sit, watch and cast a Stoneskin every once in a while.
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    Simaril Ratbane
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    I've been working on my Thm to get swiftcast, and was amazed at how useful Stoneskin is as an additionl ability. In the low level dungeons Cnj doesn't have stoneskin, but I can bring it as an additional ability! That might seem trivial, but after being in some really bad parties, it's a great tool to have.
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    Meera Khei
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 80
    I SS before battles and in pauses if the target/party is topped off and I have surplus mana. SS is not mana/hp-efficient unless the tank has crazy amounts of HP and your heals are comparatively weak.

    In T5 or when facing hydra, I find it much easier to just bring a Scholar along for the lustrate when Death Sentence/White Breath hits.
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    Sinaloa Dorn
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    Scholar Lv 61
    Stoneskin is an excellent tool to spend time. If you choose to do nothing you may have to heal a cd later. If you choose to sk you may choose again a cd later. In even do it on scholar sometimes (in those rare cases I got it crossed).
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