PS3 & SSD

[Keoeson]

Get a hybrid drive, it's a lot cheaper and provides more space.

[Soulburn32]

Get a hybrid drive, it's a lot cheaper and provides more space.

I looked into those after people were saying this. From my reading Hybrid drives will not work on game systems because they need some kind of software or something to learn what you use most often and store that to the faster part of the drive. So it would just be a normal HDD with faster read speed and not a true SDD functionality when used in a console.

[Keoeson]

I looked into those after people were saying this. From my reading Hybrid drives will not work on game systems because they need some kind of software or something to learn what you use most often and store that to the faster part of the drive. So it would just be a normal HDD with faster read speed and not a true SDD functionality when used in a console.

There are drives likes this, but I think they're called dual drives. If you search for SSHD you should find the right thing. These drives handle the SSD cache transparently and the drive firmware decides what to cache. The write speeds won't be much better, but that's not really important for gaming.
I've got one in my PS3 and it works great.

[Lurkios]

Get a hybrid drive, it's a lot cheaper and provides more space.

Do /NOT/ get a hybrid drive for a ps4. They tend to rely on software drivers to determine which data gets put into flash memory, drivers the PS4 will not have.

They're also largely a gimick and rarely provide any sort of meaningful performance boost. You'd be a lot better off buying a decent, standard platter drive.

[Keoeson]

Do /NOT/ get a hybrid drive for a ps4. They tend to rely on software drivers to determine which data gets put into flash memory, drivers the PS4 will not have.

They're also largely a gimick and rarely provide any sort of meaningful performance boost. You'd be a lot better off buying a decent, standard platter drive.

Source?
They are drives which need extra drivers, but then we're not talking about hybrid drives. Actually it's SSD drives which are better off in a modern OS, which support the TRIM command. Without it the drive can't do proper wear leveling and depending on usage it shortens the life span of the drive. Unless you only play FFXIV and are ok with a small drive size, I highly recommend a hybrid drive

[Lurkios]

Source?

Google is a good one.

Actually it's SSD drives which are better off in a modern OS, which support the TRIM command. Without it the drive can't do proper wear leveling and depending on usage it shortens the life span of the drive.

TRIM is completely unrelated to wear leveling, which is performed entirely by the controller and will work regardless of the OS/device the drive is installed in - nor is TRIM in any way related to the drives lifespan. TRIM is purely performance related, it zeroes out blocks of data that have been tagged as "free" space. Most modern SSDs include a "garbage collection" feature which does the same thing, making TRIM largely irrelevant.

[Keoeson]

Google is a good one.

Please use it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trim

TRIM is completely unrelated to wear leveling, which is performed entirely by the controller and will work regardless of the OS/device the drive is installed in - nor is TRIM in any way related to the drives lifespan. TRIM is purely performance related, it zeroes out blocks of data that have been tagged as "free" space. Most modern SSDs include a "garbage collection" feature which does the same thing, making TRIM largely irrelevant.

OMG, please use at least Wikipedia before spreading this nonsense.
TRIM is the command, which actually tags the free space, it doesn't zero anything. Without it the drive doesn't know which data is still in use and once the drive was full once, it will be full forever for the drive firmware. Once the OS tells the drive which areas are free, it makes garbage collection more efficient and reduces the number the writes needed, thus increases the life span of the drive.

[Lurkios]

OMG, please use at least Wikipedia before spreading this nonsense.
TRIM is the command, which actually tags the free space, it doesn't zero anything. Without it the drive doesn't know which data is still in use and once the drive was full once, it will be full forever for the drive firmware. Once the OS tells the drive which areas are free, it makes garbage collection more efficient and reduces the number the writes needed, thus increases the life span of the drive.

Did you actually read the Wikipedia on TRIM before typing that out? It confirms everything I said in the first 3 paragraphs.

At the very least you seem to be a bit mistaken about what "wear leveling" is. Reducing reads is not "wear leveling", wear leveling is evenly distributing writes across blocks of memory so that no single block is written to significantly more times than any other. It causes all of the cells to wear at a more or less even rate. Although, with the amount of over provisioning in most SSDs I'm not entirely sure how necessary it is (not that it hurts).

[Keoeson]

Did you actually read the Wikipedia on TRIM before typing that out? It confirms everything I said in the first 3 paragraphs.

Let me quote the key sentence:

"More recent SSDs will often contain internal idle/background garbage collection mechanisms that work independently of trimming; although this successfully maintains their performance even under operating systems that do not (yet) support Trim, it has the associated drawbacks of increased write amplification and wear of the flash cells."

Where does it say that TRIM makes garbage collection largely irrelevant?
If you don't understand what this means, this is the wrong place to explain this.
You just have to trust me, I do this for a living...

[Yuichi]

Get a hybrid drive, it's a lot cheaper and provides more space.

This, hybrid drives you can get a 1tb for around $100 vs a ssd 250gb for $150