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    Quote Originally Posted by ufufu View Post
    Wait... so... what's the problem again? I have no idea why there would be anything wrong with the way it's set up now.
    Because two years from now we'll be lvl 99 or some crap with ilvl 2000000 gear. And that sucks.
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    They're just numbers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calib0s View Post
    They're just numbers.
    This guy gets it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calib0s View Post
    They're just numbers.
    Everything in the game is just numbers. It's nice for them to have some kind of relevance behind them rather than arbitrary values. If you look at lower level items, their item level actually represents what level of item it has the stats of. A level 35 spear with an item level of 37 has the same damage as a level 37 spear. I don't think a level 90 weapon is going to have the same damage as a lvl 50 relic. It seems more like a level 55-60 weapon if they keep the same basic damage increase throughout the next 10 levels.

    Again, it doesn't affect the game, but it's still something that bothers me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyas View Post
    Because two years from now we'll be lvl 99 or some crap with ilvl 2000000 gear. And that sucks.
    And that sucks... why? I don't understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ufufu View Post
    And that sucks... why? I don't understand.
    Well, it may not to you, personally I don't want to see gigantic numbers that have no meaning clogging up my gear stats, all for the sake of derps that don't feel like comparing stats, or memorizing what gear is better :T
    "durr this piece of armor has 15 vit, dan dis un has 17 vit, I JUST CAN"T TELL WHICH IS BETTER UNLESS I LVL!!!!111!"
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    Last edited by Amyas; 11-28-2013 at 02:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyas View Post
    Well, it may not to you, personally I don't want to see gigantic numbers that have no meaning clogging up my gear stats, all for the sake of derps that don't feel like comparing stats, or memorizing what gear is better :T
    "durr this piece of armor has 15 vit, dan dis un has 17 vit, I JUST CAN"T TELL WHICH IS BETTER UNLESS I LVL!!!!111!"
    They do have a meaning; it's the strength of the piece of gear. ilvl 90 > 80 >70, etc., it's quite simple and rather efficient. And I'm not even going to bother responding to your "quote".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ufufu View Post
    They do have a meaning; it's the strength of the piece of gear. ilvl 90 > 80 >70, etc., it's quite simple and rather efficient. And I'm not even going to bother responding to your "quote".
    You know what else shows you the 'strength' of the gear? The stat numbers. Ilvl may be 'efficient', but its also babying and sad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf_Gang View Post
    Item level isn't some arbitrary cosmetic number.

    The entire code base for items revolve around it's level to determine stat caps.

    i.e. if a developer wants to 30 STR on an item, he HAS to raise the item level to the appropriate level get it.
    I just can't wrap my head around this. Why do we need to see the number then?
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    Last edited by Amyas; 11-28-2013 at 03:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amyas View Post
    You know what else shows you the 'strength' of the gear? The stat numbers. Ilvl may be 'efficient', but its also babying and sad.
    You know how those stat numbers are determined? The ilvl and how it determines the stat "caps" on each piece of gear. To change ilvl would mean to change the stats on every piece of gear or even rebalance everything in the game to make up for the loss of stats everyone will have due to ilvl being lowered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pellegri View Post
    You know how those stat numbers are determined? The ilvl and how it determines the stat "caps" on each piece of gear. To change ilvl would mean to change the stats on every piece of gear or even rebalance everything in the game to make up for the loss of stats everyone will have due to ilvl being lowered.
    Okay, I suppose I get it a bit more now. I'm not calling for ilvl to removed, or lowered, my first post in this thread was saying 'its too late now'. What I'm saying is it shouldn't have existed in the first place imo.
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