Can we please get separate stat allocations for SMN/SCH?

[Borfin]

I honestly don't understand, I am really not a min max hardcore pro player but a bigger heal will always be better when both consume the exact same MP and are casted at the same speed

Theoretically, they're not cast at the same speed. That's the key point of my argument you skipped over.

You gave 700 and 1k as theoretical comparative Physick numbers. In order for A to overtake B, you need to cast 1.5x as quickly. When that happens, you have a lot more versatility at your disposal. It comes with tradeoffs, but there's more to the healing game than MAI HEALS AM ARE BE THE BIGGEREST.

The point of the argument was to emphasize thresholds of effectiveness rather than a static 30 mnd which really doesn't matter in 99.999% of cases one way or the other.

[Roris]

Theoretically, they're not cast at the same speed. That's the key point of my argument you skipped over.

Except your argument holds as much weight as Spell Seed does. My Physicks and Adloquiums reliably do 850 and 650 respectively on average while solo and 1k and 750+ on a full party and can crit for 1.4k+ and both take 1.94s to cast. I could use Selene if I wanted to lower it to 1.84s and if I'm really really lucky she might just hit a crit heal and trigger the 20% Spell Speed trait and lower it down to 1.74 for a grand total of 4 seconds, oh and if I had stacked Spell Speed on Vanya I could get it down to 1.70 on top of everything I guess? Mind you Selene's ability lasts 30s and has a 60s second recast and the crit fairy heal trait only has a 20% chance of triggering if a crit even hits, so most of the time casting speed will be 1.94s or 1.90s, I guess 1.88~ if I go full Spell Speed Vanya?

I guess your hypothetical faster but lower healing might work in a game that allows that, except it doesn't exist in this game at all.

[Borfin]

I guess your hypothetical faster but lower healing might work in a game that allows that, except it doesn't exist in this game at all.

Holy **** on a cracker your reading comprehension cannot possibly be this bad.

The point of the argument was to emphasize thresholds of effectiveness rather than a static 30 mnd which really doesn't matter in 99.999% of cases one way or the other.

[Roris]

The point of the argument was to emphasize thresholds of effectiveness rather than a static 30 mnd which really doesn't matter in 99.999% of cases one way or the other.

Out of two SCH who theoretically have the exact same level of skill, the full MND SCH will be the most effective, that's all there is to it. A bad SCH with 30 less MND will do even worse, a bad SCH with full MND will still be bad. A good SCH with full MND will be at their best, a good SCH who gimped themselves on MND might still be good but they could always be even better, if someone enjoys both SMN and SCH they can't do that unless they spend the seals each time.

Yet you keep coming up with these silly things like faster but weaker heals when it's physically impossible to do in the game just to defend bad game design, I guess that's what means to love Final Fantasy.

[Madoka]

The most they might do is lower the GC seal cost, since 10k is pretty prohibitive when most things only give 100-250 seals between fates, turn ins and quests. You'll just have to learn to live with excelling at one job per class instead of both. It's not like you'll be gearing both at once anyway

[Hanabira]

This is intended and it should be the way it works, the only reason why its a problem now is because arcanist is the only job with 2 classes and it seems unfair. when each class has a second job, then it will be more acceptable. you should have to choose your specializations, one character can be every job, but it doesn't mean you should be able to 100% everything. hence, a branching system.

[Giantbane]

This is intended and it should be the way it works, the only reason why its a problem now is because arcanist is the only job with 2 classes and it seems unfair. when each class has a second job, then it will be more acceptable. you should have to choose your specializations, one character can be every job, but it doesn't mean you should be able to 100% everything. hence, a branching system.

Or when every class has a second job, then you'll see a lot more complaining.

The best part of the FF Job system (in any FF game) is flexibility. Picking specialization stats runs counter to that flexibility.

Either way, the current stat allocation system is pretty stupid. Each class has a primary stat, that you by and large want to be sticking all your points in. They did that on purpose to simplify the stat system. If they're going to over simplify the stat system such that each class has a best stat, why even give the choice?

I really prefer the suggestion that the stat allocation be changed to work on secondary stats instead (like crit, skill speed, and det). Aside from being a more interesting and involved choice than just boosting your primary stat, they're also universal stats that will benefit any role. This way you don't end up with feeling like you're wasting your stat points if you want to use multiple jobs that are all based on the same class.

[Miiu]

*sigh* Sorry Borfin this might seem like one of those "I have no real arguments so I go straight to insults"-moment but I agree with your sig :/

[ashikenshin]

I'm doing 15 / 15 int / mnd. I don't think 15 mnd will make or break a titan pug. After playing a while I will decide which one will get the whole 30 points

[Miiu]

No this doesn't work because you don't have access to cleric stance as summoner.