BLM Rotation

[johnbeck1000]

Being new to MMO's all together with FFXIV I find all this talk about the "optimum rotations" odd....some players can come up with the best/optimum rotation on paper but IMO I have not seen the chance to have the same rotation every time because of actual battle scenarios that come up. I am only level 45 so I don't have Thunder3 or Flare but I do the best I can while trying to dodge AoE's, adds, etc and still try to maintain some sort of normal rotation that helps the party out the best way.

Allyrion, is the extra potency on a Thundercloud from T3 worth the extra half sec or is the "optimum rotation" still the main goal here by fitting T2 into the timing sequence?

Also I had a FC member tell me his rotation is F3 until MP is low and then uses F1...he told me he likes this because the crit is higher for F3. Is this taken into account on the "optimum rotation"

don't grill me too bad....

[Youmu]

Being new to MMO's all together with FFXIV I find all this talk about the "optimum rotations" odd....some players can come up with the best/optimum rotation on paper but IMO I have not seen the chance to have the same rotation every time because of actual battle scenarios that come up. I am only level 45 so I don't have Thunder3 or Flare but I do the best I can while trying to dodge AoE's, adds, etc and still try to maintain some sort of normal rotation that helps the party out the best way.

Allyrion, is the extra potency on a Thundercloud from T3 worth the extra half sec or is the "optimum rotation" still the main goal here by fitting T2 into the timing sequence?

Also I had a FC member tell me his rotation is F3 until MP is low and then uses F1...he told me he likes this because the crit is higher for F3. Is this taken into account on the "optimum rotation"

don't grill me too bad....

Your FC member was either trolling you or an idiot, pure F3 spam is marginally but undeniably worse than any other rotation. You use thunder2 for umbral phases, but thunder3 on proc activations for the bonus proc potency.

[johnbeck1000]

Your FC member was either trolling you or an idiot, pure F3 spam is marginally but undeniably worse than any other rotation. You use thunder2 for umbral phases, but thunder3 on proc activations for the bonus proc potency.

I thought he was being serious so I maybe I'm the idiot :-)

Thanks Allyrion for the helpful tips.

[Allyrion]

Being new to MMO's all together with FFXIV I find all this talk about the "optimum rotations" odd....some players can come up with the best/optimum rotation on paper but IMO I have not seen the chance to have the same rotation every time because of actual battle scenarios that come up. I am only level 45 so I don't have Thunder3 or Flare but I do the best I can while trying to dodge AoE's, adds, etc and still try to maintain some sort of normal rotation that helps the party out the best way.

Allyrion, is the extra potency on a Thundercloud from T3 worth the extra half sec or is the "optimum rotation" still the main goal here by fitting T2 into the timing sequence?

Also I had a FC member tell me his rotation is F3 until MP is low and then uses F1...he told me he likes this because the crit is higher for F3. Is this taken into account on the "optimum rotation"

don't grill me too bad....

You use Thunder III for Thundercloud procs and Thunder II when refreshing manually during the Umbral phases.

Though the tooltip gives the impression that the Thundercloud potency is determined by the dot it procced off of, this is incorrect. If you get a Thundercloud proc off Thunder II, you can use Thunder III for the proc and get full benefit of Thunder III (potency and extended durations).

This is also one of the few cases where you may have to alter your rotation as a Thunder III proc will extend for another 24 seconds. In this case, you may be better off using Scathe after Blizzard III if you think your Thunder is extended long enough to last another Fire cycle.

Optimal rotations are based on ideal circumstances, this is true. However, it's good to know how to use your class at full power and then adapt it from there.
It's also especially easy for a BLM to follow the optimal rotation since even if there's a lot of movement, you don't have many timers to monitor. In most cases, you should get roughly the same amount of Fire Is each astral phase and regen with Blizzard III --> Thunder II --> Fire III. When you move, you can usually just pick up where you left off.
It's only a pain if you lose the Astral Umbral buff completely, but I don't think this happens that often since it's very forgiving.

Fire III is not good dps because it kills your mana and it's gains in crit do not make up for it. It's not a mana efficient spell and you can only get like 3 off each Astral phase and you will never get a Firestarter proc spamming so you're not taking advantage of that trait. I'm sure PessiMistic or another better mage can show you the math that proves that Fire III spam is never optimal even with crit gains.
Though I have heard something like Flare spam working with two targets, but I've never tried it myself.

I like PuroStrider's spreadsheet which gives good comparisons on the different spells and answers some of these questions that you may have.
Here's a link to the spreadsheet and the thread.

Synovius's thread on the rotation is also helpful if you want some tips as well. Another link

The most important thing about understanding optimal rotations is not to follow them blindly but to understand how abilities rank and work together with one another. Feel free to adapt them depending on the situation but to do that, it's very helpful to understand what the ideal spell rotation is and then change it from there.