Turn 5 Conflagration Mechanics

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I'm posting to confirm some mechanics from turn 5, specifically regarding conflagration (3 part post due to character restriction)

I understand:

1. Conflagration has a set timer.
2. This timer is reduced based on the number of waxing flesh stacks the boss has when conflagration is cast.
3. The boss gains waxing flesh stacks based on the number of targets hit by fireball.
3. The conflag timer is greatly increased if a party member targeted by fireball enters the conflagration.

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We have tried two methods.

1. Have two groups of 4 members (one group is 3 + pet) to soak the fireballs.
This method has failed due to the fact that in some cases we do not have the burst DPS to burn the conflag before it explodes.

2. Have 1 pet and 1 member stand between the groups. Have whoever is targeted by fireball run to those two (so it is split between 3 targets).
This is sort of working, but if RNG works against us (our squishiest player gets hit and some other things aren't perfect), the squishy player dies to fireball.

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My questions:

1. I know that pets DO soak a portion of the damage from fireballs. I was recently told that they DO NOT add a stack of waxing flesh. Therefore, you could soak a fireball with two pets and two human players, and actually have more time to down conflagration than if you'd soaked it by three human players. I'd like to confirm or deny this mechanic.


2. I was told that the total damage split between the fireball targets is constant. That is, if fireball is going to hit three targets, (A,B and C), damage mitigating cooldowns (such as mana ward), used by target A, will cause the damage to be increased on target B and C. Confirm / Deny?


3. Is our dps is not up to par if we can't down conflagration after a four stack of waxing flesh? Even with multiple lucky procs (I play BLM), we still sometimes don't have the burst for it. Are we undergeared / bad? or is this common that it's VERY difficult to burst down a 4 stack conflag if a key dps is the target of it.

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I very much appreciate any feedback.
Thank you.

[Myrhn]

Which conflag are you dying too? The one that you dont get a fireball in or the one that have a fire ball to?

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Which conflag are you dying too? The one that you dont get a fireball in or the one that have a fire ball to?

Please see my three specific questions above.
We certainly have no problem with those conflags that we can bring the fireball to, since the time is greatly extended.

We are dying due to:
a) we three stack fireball, and a member dies due to the dmg being too high
b) we four stack fireball, and we dont have the burst dps to down conflag.

[Calib0s]

1. Pets soak damage, but they DO add a stack of Waxen Flesh.

2. False.

3. If you don't have enough DPS to down a four-stack conflag, you probably don't have enough to finish the fight, though it's possible that not all of your DPS players know how to burst properly. I'd also recommend having your OT in DPS gear for this fight if you aren't doing this already. Paladin and Warrior can both contribute huge amounts of burst damage.

[Myrhn]

If you stack 4 people DPS should save their cooldowns for when the conflag without fireball pop you have the burst dmg to kill it.

If you stack 3 people(i dont do this metod) all i can say is stoneskin adloquien and bubble can help with damage mitigation.

Pets share damage like a player and i dont belive if you do dmg reduction cooldown make other people take more damage i never heard something like that.

[Sheapy]

If you 3 stack fireballs whoever is targeted NEEDS stoneskin and adloqium unless they're 4.5k HP+. What I'd suggest is having your offtank+SCH Pet+ whoever is targeted tank the fireball. That way, you don't need to worry about applying stoneskin + adlo on your offtank and only on the targeted person. The 5 second cast time on fireball should give your WHM and SCH enough time to preshield the fireball'd person. My group has our Warrior OT and SCH pet off to the side and even when the Warrior eats the fireball by himself he takes at most 3k damage (out of 8k HP pool)

[Sylvanna]

Our strategy:

3man soak fireball.
Virus.
Easy.
You also want to make sure that everyone in your group has >3.9k hp after food buffs. That is the bare minimum for a 3 man soak.

TBH any form of damage reduction will do. Virus/Sacred Soil/Rain of Death (not advisable due to stupidly high TP cost).

My questions:

1. I know that pets DO soak a portion of the damage from fireballs. I was recently told that they DO NOT add a stack of waxing flesh. Therefore, you could soak a fireball with two pets and two human players, and actually have more time to down conflagration than if you'd soaked it by three human players. I'd like to confirm or deny this mechanic.


2. I was told that the total damage split between the fireball targets is constant. That is, if fireball is going to hit three targets, (A,B and C), damage mitigating cooldowns (such as mana ward), used by target A, will cause the damage to be increased on target B and C. Confirm / Deny?


3. Is our dps is not up to par if we can't down conflagration after a four stack of waxing flesh? Even with multiple lucky procs (I play BLM), we still sometimes don't have the burst for it. Are we undergeared / bad? or is this common that it's VERY difficult to burst down a 4 stack conflag if a key dps is the target of it.

1. False. They do add a stack of Waxen Flesh. (Pets have ~90% (?) damage reduction on AOE, so they get hit for peanuts.)
2. False.
3. Your DPS is not up to par. (Usual reason: Inefficient use of CDs. Solution: Learn to manage CDs.)