2.1 Steel Cyclone, Not Enough

**Phreak** · 11-27-2013 08:57 AM

There is never a right or wrong time to make suggestions wether they be a long the lines of Buffs/QoL/Intuitive Play. Making a post before/after proposed patch plans doesn't invalidate/validate them. I am looking forward to the WAR changes in 2.1 and am grateful for them but one patch will not solve everything. The people talking about 'not every ability has to be OP' or 'using AoE on single target & vice versa is something I have no problem overlooking' are poor attitudes towards games like these.

If you were buying a new car and were given two choices between one with a sound system and one without and the only difference would be you have to ASK for the sound system, what would you do?

Were not asking SE to put NOS in our car, but it would nice if we had some tunes for the road ahead.

**Marleytiva** · 11-27-2013 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Traek

You are hesitant to ask for more, but Paikis' suggestion asks for best of both worlds doesn't it? Good heal when you want it (OP low end content) and 20% DR we are asking for with 2.1 change. This would just lead to picking and choosing for best content. Which would be SC on most BC content, and Self heal for low end content where you can basically solo bosses. I like the idea of normalizing things a bit more, and as I said above, making SC effective AoE like IB is for ST isn't asking for *more* in mitigation sense. It is asking for the same thing, while making SC viable. I guess I concede we are asking for 1 GCD less for the 20% DR.. Trolol

Fair enough. It honestly doesn't matter either way to me. I just love the animation to the ability, it's my favorite for Warrior. I'd just like it to see more use. I saw Phreak's idea for Steel Cyclone and think it's pretty sick (I missed it somehow).

Originally Posted by Phreak

There is never a right or wrong time to make suggestions wether they be a long the lines of Buffs/QoL/Intuitive Play.

That's true, I'm still hesitant to do so though. /shrug

**Paikis** · 11-27-2013 10:29 AM

Regardless of 'feel' if I can get 20% DR from one ability that happens to be single target, I'm going to use it for AoE situations as well, because the alternative is just a bit of damage and some threat, both of which i already have no problem with. Something needs to be added to Steel Cyclone that isn't just more threat, because quite frankly I'm already drowning in threat and any more at this point is a wasted bonus.

Giving us the choice between the DR and a heal seems like the best way to go. We can't have both, so it would give a meaningful choice. As it stands I'm only going to use Steel Cyclone for looks in town, because for anything that matters, I'll be using Inner Beast.

**Dlewis1986** · 11-27-2013 10:39 AM

imo I think it should apply fracture on all targets after use so it could be used with blood bath for a bunch of small heals to help keep you up.

**Phreak** · 11-27-2013 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Dlewis1986

imo I think it should apply fracture on all targets after use so it could be used with blood bath for a bunch of small heals to help keep you up.

DoT ticks do not trigger Blood Bath healing.

**Phreak** · 11-27-2013 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Paikis

Regardless of 'feel' if I can get 20% DR from one ability that happens to be single target, I'm going to use it for AoE situations as well, because the alternative is just a bit of damage and some threat, both of which i already have no problem with. Something needs to be added to Steel Cyclone that isn't just more threat, because quite frankly I'm already drowning in threat and any more at this point is a wasted bonus.

Giving us the choice between the DR and a heal seems like the best way to go. We can't have both, so it would give a meaningful choice. As it stands I'm only going to use Steel Cyclone for looks in town, because for anything that matters, I'll be using Inner Beast.

You haven't read a single post in here have you?

**Paikis** · 11-27-2013 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Phreak

You haven't read a single post in here have you?

I was responding to a post in this thread, so yes, I have read it. Have you?

**Dlewis1986** · 11-27-2013 11:57 AM

If I'm correct and I could be wrong as long as bloodbath is activated before you use fracture you get the small heals for each tic.

**LunaChild** · 11-27-2013 12:10 PM

I like this idea

Originally Posted by Phreak

Overpower
Delivers an attack with a potency of 120 to all enemies in a cone before you. 20% Chance your next Steel Cyclone can be executed without being Infuriated. Duration: 10s.
Additional Effect: Increased Enmity

and perhaps modify SC like this
Steel Cyclone
Delivers an attack with a potency of 150 to all nearby enemies. Ignores the 35% damage penalty inflicted by Defiance. Can only be executed when Infuriated. Consume all Wrath when used.
Additional Effect: Increase potency by 20 for each Wrath consumed. Increased Enmity.

**Phreak** · 11-27-2013 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by LunaChild

I like this idea

Steel Cyclone
Delivers an attack with a potency of 150 to all nearby enemies. Ignores the 35% damage penalty inflicted by Defiance. Can only be executed when Infuriated. Consume all Wrath when used.
Additional Effect: Increase potency by 20 for each Wrath consumed. Increased Enmity.

Maybe for the DPS version of MRD but as a tank I'm not looking to do extra damage I'm looking to take less damage, the whole point of the original suggestions were to put Steel Cyclone on an equal or a slightly better level than Inner Beast (in 2.1) when presented with multiple targets to hit/tank. So that were not spending our stacks in almost every single tanking scenario on Inner Beast while making a lackluster ability feel useful again.

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