Thread: 2.1 Steel Cyclone, Not Enough

Originally Posted by Strifin

That will probably happen, but as warriors we dont have to always have the 20% buff up, true you should but dont have too. SC's buff is nice and would help getting mobs attention thats about it. Hey at least we can use our stacks then just sitting on them.

Honestly, I thought about it, and even in my optimal scenario given (SC > Infuriate > Overpower > IB > Overpower > etc.) it isn't worth it most of the time. If you are prepared for pickup, and not behind the curb for some reason (drop earlier then expected in T4 coil as example) you'll be better off saving Infuriate for 20% DR back to back. So pickup would just be a Flash > Overpower > IB > Infuriate > Overpower x2 > IB > Overpower > etc. I'm not trying to be argue with you, just thinking out loud. Again, if you are doing progressive raiding, these things do matter and add up.

Again, I'm thinking toward *meaningful* content, where we aren't 3 tiers overgeared and blowing SC for funzies and damage numbers.

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Originally Posted by Vortok

When doing aoe threat, there's not really time to build wrath stacks back up so the few seconds of 20% DR you'd get from using Inner Beast instead would have less of an impact unless you know everything is about to burst you. The Aevis mobs in Stone Vigil come to mind as an example, with their Lunge ability they all do a few seconds in the fight which can get dangerous with three of them at once. Your other cooldowns will likely be sufficient for situations like that anyways, handle stuff case by case, blah blah blah.

Just like Overpower, it'll work best with the Bloodbath + Berserk cooldown pairing (I don't see any reason to ever use them separately anyway). Both to generate more threat while dps go wild with aoe and because the self healing (boosted by Berserk) from hitting several things at once (especially as Steel Cyclone hits harder than Overpower) is a form of pseudo DR. It may not heal you to full, but it does slow the rate that your HP drops giving healers an easier time keeping you up. If the stuff you're fighting can be stunned, the new lower cooldown on our stun will also help to lower the incoming damage without decreasing aoe threat output (assuming you don't need to save it to stun something specific on an aoe pull).

As far as your burst scenario, there isn't a huge amount of predictable burst on a vast majority of *AoE* scenarios. It is the whole point of AoE and picking up multiple low hitting mobs. The challenge comes in the collective damage, and burst mechanics aren't seen much, if at all, because of this. I can't think of anywhere that 20% DR is going to be "less impactful" then a bit of free threat, that won't likely be needed with Overpower threat buff either. Warriors don't generally suffer from these threat issues right now, even with +1 Relics going crazy. Some threat gen is definitely less of an impact then 20% DR, especially when you have to choose between the two for ~20 seconds (unless Infuriate as noted).

While I won't discredit using Bloodbath to help out healers in AoE scenario, it won't come anywhere near 20% DR. Also my suggested change wouldn't impact this. Even without threat modifiers my change to SC would give more reason to use these CDs together, and further help healing for AoE scenario. I mean no offense when I say this, but the fact you are talking about Stone Vigil and single target stuns on AoE pack pulls (as well as bloodbath being meaningful) leads me to believe we are talking different worlds of tanking.. This is what got WAR in trouble from the start.