Thread: 2.1 Steel Cyclone, Not Enough

Originally Posted by Paikis

Leave Inner beast's heal alone, and put the 20% Damage reduction for 6 seconds on Steel Cyclone. Problem solved.

And then we would eventually see situations where were using, again, an AoE ability on a single boss target which is just poor design imo. It'd be Ret Paladins + Divine Storm all over again in Wrath of the Lich King.

Originally Posted by Traek

Totally with Phreak on this one. No thanks to 3 part combo. Another method of course is Overpower procs to make a free SC. This would at least give it some usability. My only problem with this is just the overall price of Overpower, which means the proc rate would need to be relatively high.

Hmm the idea of a proc sounds pretty nice actually instead of Wrath generation. Procs can really liven up a class ( provided there aren't too many then it creates flustered play and a feeling of waste when you're not using up procs because your more valuable procs proc'd). It rewards reactive play vs 1-2-3 or in Overpower's case 2-2-2-2-2-2-2.

Originally Posted by Paikis

Why is this a bad thing? How is it any different to having to use IB, a single target ability, on AoE pulls?

The current situation will not change after the 2.1 patch. Steel Cyclone will still only be useful on content where you are in no danger of being killed. Inner Beast will be the best and only choice for your wrath stacks.

The whole point of these suggestions is to remove cases like these, what feels more natural/intuitive? Using a single target ability on a pack of enemies or an AoE? and vice-versa.

Originally Posted by Naelle

Not using steel cyclone is every single pull isn't a bad thing. There needs to be room for actual decision making. Most mobs can be stunned as far as trash. For the things that can't be? IB.

That isn't a decision it just looks like one. With the design of SC stunning mobs it's application is very hit or miss, there is no choice, one will always be an obvious gain over the other. Decisions require consideration, there is nothing to consider when an enemy is immune/not immune to stuns in which one you use.

Originally Posted by Phreak

Hmm the idea of a proc sounds pretty nice actually instead of Wrath generation. Procs can really liven up a class ( provided there aren't too many then it creates flustered play and a feeling of waste when you're not using up procs because your more valuable procs proc'd). It rewards reactive play vs 1-2-3 or in Overpower's case 2-2-2-2-2-2-2.

Indeed. I'd appreciate the variety instead of just spam. The good thing about this is I think it'd fundamentally be easier for SE to implement/balance, as mechanics involving DR and Wrath generating they might be hesitant to try. It will give SC much more use, with the enmity increase SC would still be viable for snap aggroe when needed (and no proc) and things wouldn't change for the most part. My only issue is with what this other discussion:

Originally Posted by Paikis

Why is this a bad thing? How is it any different to having to use IB, a single target ability, on AoE pulls?

The current situation will not change after the 2.1 patch. Steel Cyclone will still only be useful on content where you are in no danger of being killed. Inner Beast will be the best and only choice for your wrath stacks.

This is precisely what we are trying to change. It makes sense for an AoE wrath blowing ability, to give wrath blowing ability effects. Using IB on ST for AoE pulls also feels clunky and wrong. That was part of this discussion as well. Since the 20% DR is already going to a ST ability, normalize it for AoE situations.

*Edit* Snip TouchandFeel being a stand up guy.

If they nerf Inner Beast as well, sure.

Drop Inner Beast from 20% DR to 10% DR and add 1% DR per target up to a maximum of 5% on Steel Cyclone.

As it stands PLD isn't as good as WAR. Stop trying to make them even better than they are going ot be.

Originally Posted by Traek

I'm sorry that you are misinformed. Please look more into 2.1 abilities and maybe check out some Theorycraft being done on them. Also please bring forth evidence of your claims, as I see none.

After all that, being brought forth in another thread with your topic at hand, what you are saying may be considered.

Only difference between the two is the 5% in Effective Healing, which is made up by their vastly superior mitigation abilities and their smaller, but constant self-heals. Though we won't know the difference until they release how much Storm's Path mitigates.