Paladin BiS Accessory Reddit Discussion

[Exstal]

Well remember, ladies and gents, Paladin's DPS combo is also their threat combo. Eventually, you'll catch up. So it's not totally unbelieveable, but if MT is only on Twin at the start for ~90s+, there should be a really good lead unless OT decides to use Provocation.

edit: Tani, 日本語能力試験?

[Jahaudant]

Your main tank would have to be doing nothing for a good minute and a half for your OT to take threat.

Remember, the threat meter is somewhat misleading. Just because it "looks" like your OT has caught up to 99% of the threat bar, doesn't mean they are 1 Halone away from taking the mob.

[pompey_dan]

If the MT has full i90 and +15 vit accessories in shield oath and the OT has full i90 and str+9 accessories in sword oath the OT will easily catch up on hate and if he doesn't stop spamming rage of halone combo will pull hate during conflagration phase,

unless you take a really long time to kill dragons at beginning or your OT is not using +str accessories or your main tank is using +str accessories, then this will always happen with good MT/OT and it does not mean a bad MT lol

[TirionCrey]

If the MT has full i90 and +15 vit accessories in shield oath and the OT has full i90 and str+9 accessories in sword oath the OT will easily catch up on hate and if he doesn't stop spamming rage of halone combo will pull hate during conflagration phase,

unless you take a really long time to kill dragons at beginning or your OT is not using +str accessories or your main tank is using +str accessories, then this will always happen with good MT/OT and it does not mean a bad MT lol

This might be the case for your group, but once again given the mechanics of Twintania, if the OT is constantly DPSing Twintania and not switching to conflags, gets never targeted by conflags and/or never get's targeted by fireballs during a conflag then I see this happening. MT having Vit accessories and OT having STR accessories regardless...if the OT is getting to the point where he has to hold back on DPS, the MT is not generating threat to his full potential(OT having massive crit luck out of equation). Doesn't neccesarrily mean he sucks, but it does mean he is not generating threat as much as he could. For some deluded reason most PLD think Halone combo is all it takes to generate max threat...but it's not.

[UrbanLucrece]

Quick comparison between Allagan neck,ring and bracelets vs gryphon skin with melds rounded down is:

STR 27 vs 0.
DEX 27 vs 0.
SKILLSPEED 18 vs 22.
ACC 33 vs 27.
VIT 30 vs 15.
PARRY 34 vs 43.
DET 14 vs 0.

Using allagan gives you about 15 vit and 8 more parry, that's about it. Gryphon gives 27 str, 27 dex, 6 acc, 14+ det and (other meldable stat like chr).

The enmity debate going on I don't understand the OT don't catch up in hate after holding the 3 adds from start. Also if the MT lost hate to OT he should have voke for that while OT hold back, hopefully people communicate

[Leiron]

You generate more enmity outside of Shield Oath/Defiance than you do with it on.

You can MT Twintania with full AF2 + Gryphonskins overmelded and perform better in Threat/DPS department. Full iLvl 90 is just overkilling your HP sponge and not being able to generate enough threat to those really good DPS.

You should not be losing threat to anything except maybe the initial burst of a Bard.
Or if the DPS have significantly better weapons/gear than you.
Go test it out on a dummy yourself.

[TaneshimaPopura]

@Exstal

Yes, the JLPT N3 test. Stupid daily post cap...

@TirionCrey

Look here comes another someone who cleared Twintania probably more than me claiming my exact scenario. You choose to remain ignorant and throw more false information on this forum. I shall just brand you a troll instead of a forum contributor, cause as it looks to be you are beyond redemption...

@Leiron

Yeah already know what when you substitute the formula DMG * .8 * 1.2 for Shield Oath and DMG *.75 *1.25 none of them actually works at all. It's silly. Only thing Defiance and Shield Oath increase in Enmity is Flash cause it is not affected by damage.

[Churchill]

The only time I Stoneskin myself while MT in Turn 5 is during the last phase where I'm usually taking damage only from Plummet or Death Sentence. MT takes very little damage in this phase. All other phases, OT Stoneskins the other players either to help them survive fireball (earlier attempts/kills) or on one player who is our LB whore.

[TirionCrey]

@TirionCrey

Look here comes another someone who cleared Twintania probably more than me claiming my exact scenario. You choose to remain ignorant and throw more false information on this forum. I shall just brand you a troll instead of a forum contributor, cause as it looks to be you are beyond redemption...

Call me whatever you want, I know I am right and either the both of you are not able to see the fact that if the OT catches up EASILY(as pompey even claims) then something is seriously wrong with your MT. You said it yourself before, that your MT kinda sucked...pretty much agreeing with me there. If he would be a good MT you wouldn't have been able to catch up in hate, simple fact. Now pompey even claims the OT catches up EASILY to the MT, even if he's good which is even more ridiculous. Once again I can see situations happening where the OT does catch up, but these involve RNG like crazy(critting a lot of Savage Blades/Halones for example). This is not the common case though, so please just spare me with your false wisdom. Either both of you settled with mediocrity as a MT, or you really just don't see it.

PS: To further prove my point...you stated before that a MT has threat issues against really good DPS in T4 on W2,4,5 and 6. I told you that 2 is understandable. If any Tank has any problem holding hate on any of the other waves...he sucks. Plain fact...and since you either have problems yourself holding hate, or your MT does...that should tell you more than enough.

[Churchill]

Depends how they do the fight.

If they have the same guy tanking the first killed Knight/Soldier, first Dreadnaught, then the rest of the Knights/Soldiers, he could have aggro issues the entire time (and also be a bad) but it's going to be a much more noticeable problem if that's the case.

When I first did that Turn, I had issues losing initial threat on the double Dreadnaught pull but even then that was easy to work around after a few reps.