Paladin BiS Accessory Reddit Discussion

[saber_alter]

Complete exaggeration, lol.

Regardless of how good a person is, a full i90 Bard has more burst capability than anyone. If you are holding initial threat in a fight it is because they will it.

i can vouch for this...pulled the third AK boss off of a relic +1 paladin just after the first IC....and proceeded to be hit with disease...(i'm not full Ilvl90 with bard, i main paladin)

for some dps, the reason why your holding hate for the first 30 seconds of the battle is because they allow it.

[UrbanLucrece]

Crafted Gryphonskin Acc overmelded with IVs etc > Allagan/Hero yup ^^

[TirionCrey]

You can MT Twintania with full AF2 + Gryphonskins overmelded and perform better in Threat/DPS department. Full iLvl 90 is just overkilling your HP sponge and not being able to generate enough threat to those really good DPS.

Are you kidding me? By the time any DPS starts DPSing Twintania there is no DPS in the world that could catch up...

PS: The redit discussion is not about BiS for PLDs...it's about BiS for OTs to increase their dmg output during non-tanking situations...

[TaneshimaPopura]

Are you kidding me? By the time any DPS starts DPSing Twintania there is no DPS in the world that could catch up...

PS: The redit discussion is not about BiS for PLDs...it's about BiS for OTs to increase their dmg output during non-tanking situations...

Please read the whole thread before jumping in and go guns blazing you fool. Threat issues is as I reclarified on my 2nd post for mainly Turn 4. And it does apply for Turn 5 Twintania, if you as a MT cannot generate enough threat you are capping your OT damage potential. I personally had to Riot Blade Stoneskin so many times cause I was going to overtake MT in threat. You are just a fool who hasn't cleared Twintania reliably to be commenting. And also there are times MT has to self cast Stoneskin where that extra threat helps a lot.

[Leiron]

Its tough to measure really, the threat meters are all relative so you don't get any true hard data.
IMO, you should only pop on those str accessories if you need the threat gen, but if you don't, stick with fending.

[TirionCrey]

Please read the whole thread before jumping in and go guns blazing you fool. Threat issues is as I reclarified on my 2nd post for mainly Turn 4. And it does apply for Turn 5 Twintania, if you as a MT cannot generate enough threat you are capping your OT damage potential. I personally had to Riot Blade Stoneskin so many times cause I was going to overtake MT in threat. You are just a fool who hasn't cleared Twintania reliably to be commenting. And also there are times MT has to self cast Stoneskin where that extra threat helps a lot.

I'm sorry but your MT sucks(or lacks equip) then when it comes to Twintania. T4 I agree. MT taking the Knight and Soldier and having 4 DPS go balls deep on both of them makes it hard on the MT to keep hate on both of them reliably. But that's what target switching is for. There is no noticable DPS loss if the DPS just switches to the OT's Knight/Soldier for 2 GCDs and the MT should be more than fine again to keep hate til they both die. And the only situation for the OT to hold back in T4 is on the first Dreadnought. If DPS has to hold back in W3/5/6 once again...the MT sucks.

On Twintania...sorry my statement holds true. Your MT either sucks or lacks equip(meaning main body parts being itemlvl90 for extra STR). With the OT in Sword Oath and constantly being able to combo on Twintania during conflag phase, w/o being targeted once by conflag or a fireball during conflag he should reach 80-90% of MTs threat at the END of conflag phase max if the MT doesn't suck. There is no way a OT should ever come too close to the MT at any phase of Twintania, unless he completely ignores conflags and keeps DPSing Twintania the whole time...also I fail to see where there is a situation where the MT HAS to Stoneskin himself...I do it as well to help out the healers...but then the PLD should make sure to use it after a full combo, cause it interrupts your combo...same goes for Fracture...I assume your MT is not using Fracture...

The simple reason for that is that at any given time the OT is actually DPSing Twintania, there are always mechanics in effect that "force" him to switch targets while the MT can go on building threat on Twintania except for Phase 1 and on Phase 1 the MT builds a buffer while OT is busy with the adds...and if that buffer is not enough til end of conflags...then once again...your MT is doing something wrong...

Conflag Phase: OT switches to conflags
Twister Phase: OT switches to Dreadknights
Last Phase: OT goes into Neurolink every few seconds for eating the glowing ball.

Once again...I say that your MT either sucks...or lacks the STR increasing body parts as itemlvl90 for you to be able to catch up...under no circumstances should the OT be able to rip off hate from the MT unless what I described is the case(sucking or lacking equip...)

PS: Reliably kill Twintania to be commenting?...says the person who cleared it 6 days ago for the first time lol...

[TaneshimaPopura]

@ Tirion

And have you even cleared it once? I'm clearing it on the 2nd week being a Paladin. First week of attempting it. My subscription has ended and not gonna resub till my Japanese Examination is over. I have never failed in my roles during the whole attempt, it was the female player that was holding the party back. The MT as you said sucked, cleared Twintania before twice said my threat was really high even when he did OT and MT before.

My MT was Aru Phabet of Carbuncle. He is Japanese so I don't expect him to come back me up in an English forum.

And it has only been what? 4th Week since Twister change? I hit Paladin to 50 on 5th of November, World first was on 26 of October. My clear was 22nd of October first step into Coil in 29th of October as Bard. I have the gall to turn my Achievement public while you hide yourself.

[TirionCrey]

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Why so defensive? I was simply stating that you were trying to shut me and my opinion down just cause "I don't kill Twintania reliably" when you yourself just recently killed it for the first time. I was simply implying that you shouldn't be trying to shut me off just cause of that.

PS: And I'm not afraid to say it here. No I haven't beaten Twintania yet with my group, despite the fact that my group is on Turn 5 for 8 weeks now. In those 8 weeks we got a total attempts worth roughly 6h on her. 2 weeks Twintania was shut down due to bugs. 4 weeks I was on vacation in the states visiting a friend. Last 2 weeks members of our group had a screwed up RL schedule barely leaving us with 2h of raiding the whole week in which we squeezed in Turn1-4 and a lil bit over an hour on Twintania. Despite all of that we are deep into Twister phase already (35ish%).

Once again...while I recognize your achievement getting through Turn1-5 in such a short time, I have a lot of experience in all of the Turns including Turn5 to have an educated opinion about it that simply stated that if the OT is getting too close in aggro, the MT sucks and you basically confirmed that. So your previous statements don't hold true, cause they are based on a MT that doesn't do his job right, which makes your points "suggestions for an OT playing with a crappy MT" at best, but not general accountable advice for just anybody. I was merely stating what of your points are not true based on a group where each member plays to the jobs full potential and you shutting me off with the "can't kill Twintania reliably" when you just did it 6 days ago and me pointing that out was just trolling you cause you trolled me for no reason.

PS: Your post also kinda implies that you were doing Turn 5 with a group of players where at least some of them already cleared it before. Just saying.

[TaneshimaPopura]

Only the MT Cleared it others didn't. I was pointing to the fact that if as a MT all you gear up is just Vitality you will throttle your OT damage, I don't expect a Japanese player even if he cleared Twintania twice before me to play up to my 9 years of HM raiding experience. MT can choose to Stoneskin himself if he choose to do so, I can choose to do so too. But in order to do that I must first have a lead in Threat.

Hence why I say Gryphonskin capability of generating threat in itself can be sometimes more than meets the eye. And he is not really a crappy MT since he switches to Conflagration (Not only on Odd numbered Conflagration) all the time although it is not needed with our DPS which causes me to chase up in Threat too. Hence why I state my point being valid. IF you have 6.4k in PT as a Paladin unless you can beef it up by another 800HP to sustain another Auto Attack the point of hovering at 6.4-6.6k HP is moot as it does nothing really productive as most of the time you should be topped up during the counter and outside of Infirmity debuff.

Twintania OT as Paladin is just about pushing as much DPS as your MT threat ceiling goes then start providing Stoneskin so Healers don't have to do it and can sustain heal through infirmity debuff. And back to the original purpose of the post, Gryphonskin is your go to to maximize your OT DPS potential, MT using Gryphonskin increases your OT DPS ceiling. Hence both should be using Gryphonskin if survivability is no longer a current concern.

[TirionCrey]

Twintania OT as Paladin is just about pushing as much DPS as your MT threat ceiling goes then start providing Stoneskin so Healers don't have to do it and can sustain heal through infirmity debuff. And back to the original purpose of the post, Gryphonskin is your go to to maximize your OT DPS potential, MT using Gryphonskin increases your OT DPS ceiling. Hence both should be using Gryphonskin if survivability is no longer a current concern.

I can definetely agree on that. But still if you are forced to hold back on DPS as the OT with melded Gryphonskin accessories, the MT even with a full VIT build is not doing his job right. The only situation where I wouldn't blame the MT is if he is missing several main body parts of itemlvl90(that would boost his STR as well). If he has them, there is no reason for the OT to ever get close enough to rip hate off the MT at any point during Twintania.