PLD vs BLM grief = DRG TK Tank...

[Nenin]

lol, you 2 have fun doing shit dmg ^^

EDIT: Sorry but I just cant help it, that is sooooo stupid ^.^ Kinda boggles my mind. Anyway, keep up the good work.

I just did some parsing using this rotation versus the rotation I've outlined. All parses were done for 2 minutes nonstop on 3 targets. I used the DPS dummies in Whitebrim (Coerthas) for these parses. Here are the results:

Rotation: Fire III ==> Fire II (spam) ==> Flare ==> Transpose
Note: Initial Flare of rotation was followed by Convert + a second Flare. This was repeated on CD.
Result 1: 398
Result 2: 387
Result 3: 402

Rotation: Fire III ==> Flare ==> Transpose ==> Blizzard II ==> Blizzard II
Note: Initial Flare of rotation was followed by Convert + a second Flare. This was repeated on CD.
Result 1: 448
Result 2: 456
Result 3: 454

I'm pulling roughly 10% more DPS using the rotation I outlined but yours is definitely competitive and I can understand if there's an lack of desire on your (or anyone's) part to stand in melee so you can hit with Blizzard II .

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...otations/page2


People have also done extensive testing with other rotations like pure Blizzard II spam.

[Genesiser]

"I had to get out of my spirit bonding gear" boo-hoo. You shouldn't be gimping yourself and your group because of your greed. That's effed up.

[Sir_Maxwell]

Because of different reasons, first off, Blizz 2 does shit damage, which is a complete waste of time. Transpose is highly unreliable, the dead time is HORRIBLE. yeah, you can get mana back in half a second, or it can take up to 2 seconds... which, you kinda are left scratching. On top of that, the flare dmg isn't just high enough to outweight the huge dmg loss in the time wasted. Anyway, there are multilpe ways of playing. To each their own.

Sooooo opinion then. You should try it out and see how little down time there actually is. What would be the alternative to Blizz 2? Fire 2? Single target Blizz 3? With 3 stacks of UI, from the transpose/2 blizz 2s, you can double dip the next two fire spells which is Fire 3 and Flare cutting both cast times in half.

I suggest in the future not being so high and mighty and demeaning other people if you don't know what you're talking about....

[NyneAlexander]

Because of different reasons, first off, Blizz 2 does shit damage, which is a complete waste of time. Transpose is highly unreliable, the dead time is HORRIBLE. yeah, you can get mana back in half a second, or it can take up to 2 seconds... which, you kinda are left scratching. On top of that, the flare dmg isn't just high enough to outweight the huge dmg loss in the time wasted. Anyway, there are multilpe ways of playing. To each their own.

You should try the rotation before you go spouting off about how crappy it is. I was skeptical about the flare spam rotation myself but it destroys the fire II rotation. The only time I don't use it is in coil when ACC plays a bigger role. In WP, its borderline god-like.

edit: I lied. I also don't use it when I end up with a garbage, holier than thou PLD that can't hold hate from 1 flare, let alone many flares that constitute my "destroy everything" rotation.

[MichuAmane]

i like how neru doesn't offer his alternative rotation.

[NeruMew]

Sooooo opinion then. You should try it out and see how little down time there actually is. What would be the alternative to Blizz 2? Fire 2? Single target Blizz 3? With 3 stacks of UI, from the transpose/2 blizz 2s, you can double dip the next two fire spells which is Fire 3 and Flare cutting both cast times in half.

I suggest in the future not being so high and mighty and demeaning other people if you don't know what you're talking about....

Really now? Lol, like you are providing any proof, also considering that this is all in paper.. Anyway, I have tried it and I did not like the results, leaving alone having to stay in melee range. It's highly situational. Anyway, I care not for arguing, it would be interesting to group up and compare our damage output, everyone forgets that aoe rotations dont last forever neither.
They are usually rather quick burns. And 3 targets is not something I would consider pure AoE rotation. Once again very situational, sometimes you might rather choose to prioritize targets as well.

As I said before, it's rather a matter of personal preference. I find it highly deficient, I hate down times.

[NeruMew]

I have also tried the flare spam rotation, using bard's ballad to cast Blizzard 3 at 50% time, I personally don't like it, dmg done was about the same.

I will try further your rotation filling with blizzard 2. Either way, 10% DPS is not going to make nor break anything.

Don't come at me talking about big ego, because most here have spoken from high places.

[NyneAlexander]

Honestly, if you aren't in melee range, you are liable for screwing up the AoE grouping anyway.

[NeruMew]

Honestly, if you aren't in melee range, you are liable for screwing up the AoE grouping anyway.

And this is because.... if you don't pull hate, which you shouldn't be doing... it makes no difference whatsoever.

[Lstkaws]

I have run into some bad tanks in WP recently. Must be something going around. Normally the tanks I get in there are great, but the last few have been really bad a crowd control.