GRIN says SE sucks..

[Neptune]

Silly, don't you know anything about human nature? People will go to great lengths to defend something they've spent money on, especially when they know it was a bad purchase or a waste of money. They actually did a study on it somewhere I wish I could remember right now that proved this. In fact they also proved that the worse they feel about the purchase, the harder they will try to justify it.

Learning something new every day! And this should be a sticky on the main page, haha.

We are not disputing that Grin was working on a project it called Final Fantasy : Fortress. What we are disputing is that Square Enix had any involvement in its start. From what I've been able to find, Square Enix has had no documentation about this game. And they ALWAYS announce outside developers working to publish a game in their IP's. They announced DSIII before Obsidian even started working on it.


To Me it sounds like the following happened.

Grin: Man we made a fortune doing that Bionic commando remake, I bet if we picked another ip and made a Game for it we could make even more.

Grin: Spend 6 Months working on a Concept to push to SE.

Grin: Hey Square? We've spent the last 6 months building a concept for a new Final Fantasy.

SE: Wut? Uh ok? Fax us the concepts and we'll go from there.

Grin: Sure... (Sends a bunch of stuff)

SE: This doesn't resemble Final Fantasy, Sorry.

Grin: Wait what about this. (Sends SE their own art)

SE: Listen I don't think you understand, maybe you should just stop?

Grin: Cry Cry Whine Whine bitch, SE didn't give us any money and now we have to close.

Because a professional game developer would do free work just for an initial pitch. They had a contract with SE and Yoichi Wada was involved right from the beginning. In fact, the game is still going to come out it has just changed developers, probably to Eidos Montreal. For someone taking a position to dispute something you're very short on facts.

[Cairdeas]

Learning something new every day! And this should be a sticky on the main page, haha.



Because a professional game developer would do free work just for an initial pitch. They had a contract with SE and Yoichi Wada was involved right from the beginning. In fact, the game is still going to come out it has just changed developers, probably to Eidos Montreal. For someone taking a position to dispute something you're very short on facts.

And all that information you just spouted (which is on the same wikipedia page posted earlier in the thread) came directly from GRIN so how can we know its true? The Source of all the information about this issue appears to come from GRIN. Theres no mention of it in any of SE's finance reports. Or Eidios.

[Neptune]

And all that information you just spouted (which is on the same wikipedia page posted earlier in the thread) came directly from GRIN so how can we know its true? The Source of all the information about this issue appears to come from GRIN. Theres no mention of it in any of SE's finance reports. Or Eidios.

Cause GRIN can't be trusted because they are a developer that has worked on A-list franchises? Give me a break dude. Also let me know the next time you read about an unannounced game on a company's financial report.

[Cairdeas]

Cause GRIN can't be trusted because they are a developer that has worked on A-list franchises? Give me a break dude. Also let me know the next time you read about an unannounced game on a company's financial report.

The SE finance reports always list atleast project names for all the teams that are actively working on a project.

[Neptune]

The SE finance reports always list atleast project names for all the teams that are actively working on a project.

Well GRIN isn't a team of SE. An unannounced game will probably not even have a project name.

[Cairdeas]

Well GRIN isn't a team of SE. An unannounced game will probably not even have a project name.

Obsidian isn't part of SE and their project is on SE's finance reports.

[Neptune]

Obsidian isn't part of SE and their project is on SE's finance reports.

Was it an announced game and if it was unannounced, what was the title?