Arcanist Japanese names

[avecha]

Wow, i loved reading this. Good stuff mate.

[Allyrion]

Remember FFIII? Hallowed Ground=Defend Command, Cover=Same name

Yep, like I said earlier in the thread, Hallowed Ground = Invincible in this game.

Wow, i loved reading this. Good stuff mate.

Thanks!

Succor? I hardly knew 'er!

Lol?

Ah, very neat connection you made there. There are a lot of differences in the JP and EN naming conventions in this game. Really paints the picture more clearly in JP I'd say.

On the class name itself: Here we get Arcanist which would mean manipulator of arcane magic (which is somewhat true in summoning pets) but over there they get Tomoe Grafter Specialist which basically means abstract geometrical drawing specialist which is literally what the class does to cast its spells.

Though on the other side of the fence we have Conjurer actually being "Illusion Specialist" (no illusions present unless the elementals are just illusions) and Thaumaturge being "Hex Specialist" (not really seeing any hexes in their lineup) in JP. Wonder if they'll go back and change the JP class names for those two to better show off what they do. If they leave it as is it really makes me wonder what they'll give them for 2nd jobs.

I'll look into this. The kanji may have double meanings and/or historical usage (fairly typical with fantasy names).
My kanji reading really needs work....

[Waliel]

From FF wiki FF III article: "The Evoker (幻術師, Genjutsushi, lit. "Illusionist"), also known as Conjurer,". There is also Arcanist in Tactics A2, but it lacks the Japanese reading. Official XIV site lists Conjurer and Arcanist as 幻術士 and 巴術士 respectively.

Fun fact: If you put the Japanese Arcanist name into google translate and translate from Chinese, you get Pakistan Warlock.

[shinros]

Its pretty sad you don't get much lore with summoners as someone said on the first page its pretty much a power grab, while dealing with an insane guy. Eh lore wise you would not want to be a black mage trust me normally "warlock" classes don't end up dying nicely like others. With dragoon its all about resisting corruption and with black mage? You are already corrupted as soon as you start going down the path.

[KeluBehemoth]

Kind of a long read... but... I thought it was common knowledge that the Scholar was a military strategist. FFXI explained it fairly well.

[Allyrion]

Kind of a long read... but... I thought it was common knowledge that the Scholar was a military strategist. FFXI explained it fairly well.

It's good that they did, but that lore doesn't transfer over to ARR. It's too bad it doesn't though.
For the most part, this is about the localization. For example - even knowing what the original names are, I still get a different feel from playing the English client than I do from the Japanese one. Simply because you interact with spell names that carry different connotations on such a regular basis.

The names of the spells still shape the theme. Though the quests support the original names, it wouldn't be hard to go through the whole game not thinking of the Scholar as a military strategist but instead, something less pragmatic and more magical.
Especially for people who didn't play FFXI, like me.

[BlueMage]

Are the DOTs called anything different in the Japanese version? I always found it strange that summoners and even arcanists/scholars are loaded primarily with "death and decay" warlock type spells such as Miasma, Bio, etc.

[Allyrion]

Are the DOTs called anything different in the Japanese version? I always found it strange that summoners and even arcanists/scholars are loaded primarily with "death and decay" warlock type spells such as Miasma, Bio, etc.

No, they actually carry their English names in Katakana. Bio, Miasma etc. They read the same in Japanese.
These are staples of the FF series though, so I don't think it always carries the connotations that the words themselves do.
This was my main point about considering FF13 in regards to the class in general, as SMN are Saboteurs to SCH's Synergist role.

Ruin for example is only used in FF13, but in that game it is used by a Commando and for tactical purposes. The word itself may seem more destructive than how it was used in that case. I believe, they may have taken some queues from that game in consolidating the theme of the ACN as a strategist, one which can specialize in offensive and defensive strategies.

SCH does, in fact, borrow paradigms names. SMN's comparison is mostly by association, as I've not really gone into SMN yet.
Panda said, though, that SMN turns into more of a power grab, which may contradict this. I will have to see for myself but in terms of dots and Ruin, you may think of them as tactical for the most part as they come from the ACN. In the way a Saboteur weakens the enemy.