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    Quote Originally Posted by SerDakota View Post
    So still a WiP? Ok just curuous great guide still very helpful thanks for doing it
    I had actually noticed the differences earlier and am still trying to figure out hard numbers as to what all is changing and why. I will post a comparison chart and leave it unlocked so anyone can mess with it; but we are looking at very small percents... but it matters
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    So Tested out the gear quite a bit to try and get a 100% Definitive BiS but I don't think without some real world, in-depth testing that I could make that determination.

    A little explanation of what you will see in the document. The middle is the comparison (obviously) the Acc stat has a stop light icon to make note if you stay above, below or close enough 475. The color format will change depending on what value for which set is better. They will both be green if they are the same.

    The formula are taken from Jahaudant's original sheet and modified just slightly. Dex is calculated into mitigation. With BiS equipment you will not have any modifiers on Dex, so the constant 181 was used as it is the average Dex for all races.

    The two different sets are at odds with each other because one or the other will give you slightly, and do I mean slightly, better enmity generation. The original gear set (top) will give you a .05% better mitigation statistic. The contending set (bottom) on the other hand allows you to have more Emnity per Second generation (through Halone Combo).

    There are some other differences, but that is what I was looking at. I am not sure if this is the deciding factor but the original BiS set have 17 better Det. Which as you all should be away is also tied to how much health a cure spell will effect you. So i dont know. This is where step back, display the numbers, and let the conversations commence.
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    Last edited by Griever2003; 12-20-2013 at 05:54 AM. Reason: Gathering all of the data before finalizing post.

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    Determination is an interesting stat to theorycraft; the variable being the healer and thier gear ilvl or gear choice in stats. The way I look at the stat: Increased Damage and incoming heals is an interesting mix of shortening the length of the fight while adding more to the effective health style tanking. I do not have the time to parse the logs; if you were to do this I would be interested in seeing what's the percentage increase in healing recieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griever2003 View Post
    There are some other differences, but that is what I was looking at. I am not sure if this is the deciding factor but the original BiS set have 17 better Det. Which as you all should be away is also tied to how much health a cure spell will effect you. So i dont know. This is where step back, display the numbers, and let the conversations commence.
    Are you sure that Determination affects the healing in? Because everything that I have read and tested states the opposite. For reference, you should check out this reddit post: Determination Does Not Affect Healing In
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasabox View Post
    Are you sure that Determination affects the healing in? Because everything that I have read and tested states the opposite. For reference, you should check out this reddit post: Determination Does Not Affect Healing In
    Funny enough, after I made a post about determination I read that reddit article an hour or two later. I have been gearing for Determination until I get the proper mitigation drops from Coil T1-4. If they ever made healing potency scale with Vitality or Attack Power I believe Determination would be a great stat. Right now, it's just additional damage and enmity. I wish it did work the way I thought it did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasabox View Post
    Are you sure that Determination affects the healing in? Because everything that I have read and tested states the opposite. For reference, you should check out this reddit post: Determination Does Not Affect Healing In
    Thanks for the aclaration. Reading what the text says if you mouse over the word Determination in your character, seeing attributes, I had thought (probably I had read it somewhere too) that determination affected physical and magical attacks, and heals (received, I thought, it seems it is casted only. Who thinks in casting when looking at a tank attributes? lol) I melded the highest determination materia to my Rose Gold ring... :-( Well, you can't meld the attributes it already has (VIT, parry, accuracy) but probably strength would have been a better option, for the parry, block, etc.
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    Last edited by JonBigwood; 03-20-2014 at 04:53 PM.

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    Lords Sabatons and Lords Plate Belt

    I can confirm that both of these items drop in Copperbell Mines HM.
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    So you used 181 Dex, but i have 191 ? I was naked and without any buffs..i dont get it. Where do i get 10 Dex ?

    Chizu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chizukeki View Post
    So you used 181 Dex, but i have 191 ? I was naked and without any buffs..i dont get it. Where do i get 10 Dex ?

    Chizu
    If you look on the equipment page in the PLD Equipment Planner from Jahaudant's post at the end he has base stats for all the races. But i think that you are correct and they are not accurate. because my nekkid Dex is at 193.
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    According to XIVDB.com, Onion shield is a primal extreme turn in with 1 token. (2 tokens for the break blade)

    http://xivdb.com/?item/7004/Rowena%27s-Token
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