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  1. #11
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    Estellios's Avatar
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    Yoso Carrasco
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    Hyperion
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    Monk Lv 77
    Something worth mentioning is that you don't build further hate on slept enemies unless you actually perform actions against them. So tanks can continue building hate with Flash and your heals won't gain you enmity while the enemies are sleeping.

    It's nice in lower level dungeons where you are capped, but at level 50 as people have mentioned, a lot of enemies will be immune and due to iLevel you will likely be overgeared and can just AoE them down anyway. Before that, go nuts sleeping. It's not like MP is ever an issue on trash mobs.
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    Last edited by Estellios; 11-26-2013 at 02:57 AM.

  2. #12
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    Tzain's Avatar
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    Tzain Nival
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    . Repose loses a lot of its effectiveness in the 50 dungeons when mobs are either immune to sleep or the tank is so overgeared they can take it in the face and laugh. I used to Repose specific things in AK when the tank I usually run with wasn't the best geared, but now we can face roll them.
    You know, I think a lot of players would do well to downgrade their gear (like run AK in WP drops) just to keep themselves sharp and/or humble.
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  3. #13
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    Tridus1x's Avatar
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    Soup Sifu
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    Sargatanas
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    My advice to you OP is tell your group that you will sleep in order to help them(Less damage people take, the more DPS you can do, the faster the run will be.), if they break your CC after that warning then stop doing it. Just go full heal mode, If they don't want to be efficient then you shouldn't have to go out of your way trying to help them.

    Also the suggestions to let a BLM do the sleeping is valid, but most BLM's at 50 don't bother sleeping and instead AOE everything and it's a reasonable thing.
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  4. #14
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    Simaril Ratbane
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    Goblin
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    Carpenter Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Garnatian View Post
    It's a terrible ability, don't waste GCDs on it and DPS instead.
    I hope you're trolling.

    Casting repose once might save me casting Cure TWICE, therefore it's NOT a waste of a GCD... unless people are AOEing, and the damage done is greater than what it would be focus firing a single target including my DPS. I understand Blm AOE sleep is better than repose later, but in the meantime it's much better damage for me to cast repose, while they cast fire, instead of them casting Sleep, and me casting Stone. (This assumes the healing is under control)


    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus1x View Post
    My advice to you OP is tell your group that you will sleep in order to help them(Less damage people take, the more DPS you can do, the faster the run will be.), if they break your CC after that warning then stop doing it. Just go full heal mode, If they don't want to be efficient then you shouldn't have to go out of your way trying to help them.

    Also the suggestions to let a BLM do the sleeping is valid, but most BLM's at 50 don't bother sleeping and instead AOE everything and it's a reasonable thing.
    I think communication was really the only 'problem' but you know how DF groups can be sort of quiet and non-conversational - so then when someone does say something critical it just bedcomes negative...
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    Last edited by Simaril; 11-26-2013 at 04:21 AM.

  5. #15
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    Tzain Nival
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Simaril View Post
    I think communication was really the only 'problem' but you know how DF groups can be sort of quiet and non-conversational - so then when someone does say something critical it just bedcomes negative...
    I start off with simply asking "Want sleep or no sleep?" If no one says anything, I say "OK, Sleep it is." If still no one responds I'd say 9/10 times the kill order gets respected pretty well. And the run goes smooth. Most of the time I get lines like "oh good, someone who knows how to sleep!" from tanks. Strangely, Warriors are the ones that usually like sleep the most, which I would expect to not be the case, but since natural timing lets them drop 1-2 Overpowers before the sleep hits it works quite well.
    I do have Repose macroed to a /emote for "/em puts <t> to SLEEP!" Which I think helps nicely so that players aren't confused about what I'm doing.

    The exception is if there's a summoner in the group, I don't even bother asking then since they seem utterly incapable of actually targeting something and not breaking sleep (I am 90% sure it's the pets, they say they aren't supposed to break sleep, but I watch them do it with AE attacks).

    I always assume, unless told otherwise that the BLM will not actually cast sleep or will not maintain sleep past the initial cast. This has proven false exactly 1 (that's "One") time. When I play BLM I am just as guilty about not maintaining the sleep, but the record will show that I am pretty terrible at BLM.
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  6. #16
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    LiadansWhisper's Avatar
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    Liadan Summerfield
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    Balmung
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Repose is great, especially in large packs/large pulls. Mark the mob you're going to Sleep and let people know, then cast it. If they break it, they buy it. But a tank can safely flash while a mob is sleeped, SMN/ACN can safely Bane while a mob is sleeped (won't break the sleep), dots can tick, etc. So it's a really good ability, imo.
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  7. #17
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    Aedra Laevatein
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    Masamune
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Repose all you can if not aoe, will give you more time to dps, and chain pull next group non-stop which save time for tank to mark & pull.

    And one more thing, don't let BLM sleep. They'll waste their time doing damage, while you can easily repose.

    WHM Sleep BLM dps > WHM dps BLM Sleep
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  8. #18
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    Aphrini Vanadette
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    Exodus
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    First off I say if there is no BLM there to sleep and you are the only sleep at low level dungeons sleep the adds, just do it, take control of your pt you are the healer you are not theirs to command you are there to keep them alive. Frankly if you are low level and are sleeping it means you have no BLM, if you have no BLM at those lower lvls you really lack the AOE firepower to DPS as a group effectively early on you also lack the healing potency and abilities to effectively cover your pt. Your party, your responsibility, your tank, your healing rules you don't want to risk it, DON'T. In the end remember who they will be crying about if their body hits the floor regardless of what you do or do not do. I had a tank once that did NOT want regen on him at any point regardless, ok well that's his call, his job and his responsibility so I rolled with it. Chin up you got this, do whatever you feel is right to keep your pt alive, that is your torch to bear.
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  9. #19
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    Maku Haikasu
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    If no BLM I use it. I love it. My CNJ is only 34 but even when I run with a FC BLM friend we chat and each sleep a different mob to make it even faster/safer. It is just another tool to be used when appropriate. ^^ That being said, I have had a few times where there was no BLM and certain pulls have a lot of damage fast. In those cases spam curing has been better and safer than trying to sleep first and then cure.
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  10. #20
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    Tsuchi Gnomey
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    Gilgamesh
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    Repose is great if you are with people who are actually paying attention to the mobs you sleep and don't wake them, but if you pug it varies, some people will like it and some wont. You have to judge if its a good idea to use it depending on the party you are with.
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