Why is race and nationality ignored so much in the lore? (why does the lore fail)

[Rau]

[QUOTE=Azurymber;158256]umm, pokemon is not a repetitive game in any way.

Repetition is hitting the same button over and over and over again for an hour without doing anything else while thinking about hitting that button.
Or holding a button down for 15 minutes experiancing something you have seen 100 times before[/QUOTE

grinding in pokemon is monotonous. The main difference in pokemon is that it has tangible rewards in the form of advancement, skills you give a **** about, new enemies and challenges and overall sense of accomplishment.


FFXIV, from 1 - 50 has you fight the same 20 recolored mobs, gives you the same skills 10-15 skills and their second tiers, and the sense that you've wasted the last 8 months

this topic has literally become "define fun"

[Kilta_Firelotus]

only those who do not find away to keep there mind occupied have a mental break down. I make my own fun in games is more or less what I was getting at. I do not play a game and it be fun automaticaly. I ran around the cities because I loved how they look. Think of it as watching a sunset. I enjoy how it looks and I bask in it beauty. Like in oblivion I enjoyed looking at the moons and watching the sunrise and sun set. Much like ffxi. And WoW. I'm a simple person and do not need a game to cater to me or my tastes. Isimply try to find away to make the game fun. The only game I triely hated was two words, it was a 360 game that looked cheap. It had a completely thrown together map that was inconsistent. Like 1 town would be out of robin hood or lord of the rings then the next town would be japanese. And the dialog being elizibeathen was like watching a badly wriiten shakespirian play. (which they joked about in two words 2)

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I l0oved reading the books in elder scrolls. My fav moment in Morrowwind was reading the serioys the "real" start of bahrozain (sp) then in tribunal actually meeting the npc. that was my fav moment. I was like HOLY thats the dark elf i read about. AWESOME!!!

[Azurymber]

its not rude. Humans have a genetic drive to be productive unless they are on drugs or have a mental difference. If we didn't have a built in drive to explore, build, create, etc, then as a race we would have gone no where.

I'm prob not explaining it right but think of it this way. If you put almost anyone in solitary confinement for over a week, they will lose track of time, and essentially have a mental breakdown.
Our brains are built to "do stuff" and be social.

Same thing happens with the very wealthy. A lot of people who have a lot of money and decide to stop working and just lay around all day (often at a retirement age) experience severe depression as a result.

We just aren't built to sit around and do nothing all day. The average person should get bored of running along a repetitive path unless its stimulating their brain for some reason.

Let me put it another way: How long could you actually enjoy starting a red square? Try it. Draw a red square on a white peice of paper, get really close, and just look at the square. within 10 minutes time should start moving -really- slow. Like 15 min of staring will seem like an hour. And you will prob get drowsy, your mind will wander, you will want to do different things or sleep, etc.

unless your brain is different than the average person in which case depending on the difference a square could be a whole different experience.

but again, this is all really simplistic. Because you can easily argue that there are huge benefits to doing "nothing" like when you do meditation. However, if you actually watched the brain of someone doing meditation you would see their brain working. Whereas someone hitting a button repetitively or holding a button down and walking along identical paths that they have seen 100 times before, will not have much brain activity going on.

[Gramul]

its not rude. Humans have a genetic drive to be productive unless they are on drugs or have a mental deficiency. If we didn't have a built in drive to explore, build, create, etc, then as a race we would have gone no where.

I'm prob not explaining it right but think of it this way. If you put almost anyone in solitary confinement for over a week, they will lose track of time, and essentially have a mental breakdown.
Our brains are built to "do stuff" and be social.

Same thing happens with the very wealthy. A lot of people who have a lot of money and decide to stop working and just lay around all day (often at a retirement age) experience severe depression as a result.

We just aren't built to sit around and do nothing all day. The average person should get bored of running along a repetitive path unless its stimulating their brain for some reason.

Let me put it another way: How long could you actually enjoy starting a red square? Try it. Draw a red square on a white peice of paper, get really close, and just look at the square. within 10 minutes time should start moving -really- slow. Like 15 min of staring will seem like an hour. And you will prob get drowsy, your mind will wander, you will want to do different things or sleep, etc.

unless your brain is different than the average person in which case depending on the difference a square could be a whole different experience.

You basically called her stupid/slow/retarded for enjoying repetition more than you do. The average person would think that's rude.

[Azurymber]

You basically called her stupid/slow/retarded for enjoying repetition more than you do. The average person would think that's rude.

i didn't call anyone stupid or slow. Someone with autism might be fascinated by something i would find simple and pointless for hours, but that doesn't make them stupid or slow, or me smarter. It means they experience the thing in a different way than I do.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

Put another way, the human brain is not designed to enjoy monotonous repetitive tasks that take no skill (so the average person would enjoy a repetitive activity like knitting which takes coordination and thus uses your brain, but not hitting the same button over and over and over and over and over again).Thats why all modern educational science points to interactivity as the best way to educate someone and not making them mindlessly solve problems on a sheet.

ok so why are mario and zelda still going strong? Or platformers in general... see little big planat. You spaming the jump button....
Name a game that actually really relies on skill. I have yet played a game that did.

[Azurymber]

Put another way, the human brain is not designed to enjoy monotonous repetitive tasks that take no skill (so the average person would enjoy a repetitive activity like knitting which takes coordination and thus uses your brain, but not hitting the same button over and over and over and over and over again).Thats why all modern educational science points to interactivity as the best way to educate someone and not making them mindlessly solve problems on a sheet.

ok so why are mario and zelda still going strong? Or platformers in general... see little big planat. You spaming the jump button....
Name a game that actually really relies on skill. I have yet played a game that did.

all those games have stimulus. If people got so much enjoyment from just walking through a repetitive area then why bother making ffxiv or zelda? Just make one zone without any actual game and sell it to people. Then they can walk around it over and over again for years and be entertained.
If what im saying is wrong, go do -just- that, and you will be rich.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

all those games have stimulus. If people got so much enjoyment from just walking through a repetitive area then why bother making ffxiv or zelda? Just make one zone without any actual game and sell it to people. Then they can walk around it over and over again for years and be entertained.
If what im saying is wrong, go do -just- that, and you will be rich.

must not played pong.... Or the sims. Or Flower. all of which are highly sucessful and little to no "game" involed.

[Gramul]

must not played pong.... Or the sims. Or Flower. all of which are highly sucessful and little to no "game" involed.

Don't forget Tetris and the thousands of other falling geometric object puzzle games. I'm pretty sure they all consist of one zone and repetitive actions.

Or maybe I'm just not grasping the concept due to lack of sleep.