Question for the "its fun" people

[juniglee]

Progression is subjective depending on individual. The general consensus is progression is seeing something go up in terms of numbers.

For you, it might be gear and item levels. For me, it's the level of my crafting classes, and also seeing the number of Coil eligible members (and groups) in my FC go up.

[rowdey1]

I am not one of those people that only sees things one way ... i completely understand people enjoy different things . I am in no way saying that what i enjoy is the only thing that matters however

I have played enough MMOs ( yes i am usually in the hardcore raiding guilds) to see a trend ... and that is when a game leaves end game at a stand still it usually hurts the game alot sometimes beyond repair.

I am not saying every new content patch needs to have upgraded gear ... what i am saying is they need to put SOMETHING in for people that like to progress ,to progress... whether its gear or even better a form of AA system.

One thing i can say for sure is that say 2.2 is 3 months away .... then 6 months from launch with 1 raid that can be done in 1 hour a week ... is not enough

[Wobi]

I am not one of those people that only sees things one way ... i completely understand people enjoy different things . I am in no way saying that what i enjoy is the only thing that matters however

I have played enough MMOs ( yes i am usually in the hardcore raiding guilds) to see a trend ... and that is when a game leaves end game at a stand still it usually hurts the game alot sometimes beyond repair.

I am not saying every new content patch needs to have upgraded gear ... what i am saying is they need to put SOMETHING in for people that like to progress ,to progress... whether its gear or even better a form of AA system.

One thing i can say for sure is that say 2.2 is 3 months away .... then 6 months from launch with 1 raid that can be done in 1 hour a week ... is not enough

Be sure and let us know once you've beaten all the Extreme Primals. They are not catering this game to the hardcore crowd, they stopped doing it in FFXI and pretty much every other MMO in existence because you don't make them all that much money compared to the larger majority of the more casual players. As I can see you still have a fair few pieces of Darklight gear on your BLM it would appear you could actually progress your character with some Crystal tower gear while you work towards that full iLVL 90 set.

I fail to see how anyone cannot grasp the benefit of the content coming out in 2.1

[rowdey1]

Be sure and let us know once you've beaten all the Extreme Primals. They are not catering this game to the hardcore crowd, they stopped doing it in FFXI and pretty much every other MMO in existence because you don't make them all that much money compared to the larger majority of the more casual players. As I can see you still have a fair few pieces of Darklight gear on your BLM it would appear you could actually progress your character with some Crystal tower gear while you work towards that full iLVL 90 set.

I fail to see how anyone cannot grasp the benefit of the content coming out in 2.1

your right ... recent mmos have catered to the less hardcore crowd .... and one thing that all have in common is a very short life span

as far as my gear goes yes i have 3 pieces left .. and currently 1500 myth tombs . so after tomarrow one way or another ill be full 90

[Wobi]

your right ... recent mmos have catered to the less hardcore crowd .... and one thing that all have in common is a very short life span

as far as my gear goes yes i have 3 pieces left .. and currently 1500 myth tombs . so after tomarrow one way or another ill be full 90

Well congrats on fully gearing one job, but as it is the progression rate is just fine. If they added new harder content then Coil all of that IlVL90 gear would be lower-tier within one patch, so that would be three months of work to spend a couple weeks at top dog status. That sort of thing irritates people when they constantly replace the new best gear at a rate faster than people can reasonably gain it.

[rowdey1]

Well congrats on fully gearing one job, but as it is the progression rate is just fine. If they added new harder content then Coil all of that IlVL90 gear would be lower-tier within one patch, so that would be three months of work to spend a couple weeks at top dog status. That sort of thing irritates people when they constantly replace the new best gear at a rate faster than people can reasonably gain it.

like i said it doesnt have to be gear .. there are multiple ways a game can add progression

[Machazareel]

your right ... recent mmos have catered to the less hardcore crowd .... and one thing that all have in common is a very short life span

Not really. I know people like to pretend like there's a rapidly growing MMO graveyard, but very few of the reasonably budgeted themepark MMOs released in the last half decade have actually died. They may have gone F2P, but that isn't the death of a game, even though people with extremely antiquated viewpoints like to think so. For the most part, they're doing fine. You don't need millions of subs to be successful.

[Dano]

OP not everyone is as lucky as you with regards to drops from Coil so to them it's still progression even when 2.1 goes live. Have you cleared turn 5? have you gotten the weapons? it'll be buffed to i95, so that's something for people to strive for.

I'm going to enjoy the hell out of 2.1, even if CT drops are subpar gear there is still much to learn, it's fun to see your own group find new strategies on new content, doing world firsts, guiding new people, messing around with different group setups to optimize the run..etc.

Not everything has to be increased in x stats or numbers to be qualify as progression.

[SimplyEe]

ok I believe there needs to be progression and SOMETHING to achieve when you log in to keep people playing and having fun.
I keep seeing these people saying "YOU DONT NEED TO UPGRADE GEAR TO HAVE FUN"

i disagree i think you DO need to progress to have fun and have a reason to log in which is why i think 2.1 will really hurt this game.

I ask you guys this one question how many times a week do you log in and run Sastasha dungeon? because according to your logic you dont need to gain anything to enjoy the content and keep on running it over and over.

I'm pretty sure they did this for those who are too bad for coil.

We all know coil is done with DL+Relic but that's the only thing I can really think of.

Cuz the average-abvove average player is already almost full lvl 90 by now

[Steeled]

At some point, when the excitement stops and all that's left is monotony, you need the reward.