Black Mages - Which materia is better?

[lBurnquist]

So guys, title pretty much says everything but the thing is:
Just got to 50 on my Black Mage and bought myself full Vanya armor (head, feet, etc...) and Im curious to see which materia should I put on it. Ive seen a lot of BLM with it and all of them used Crit materia and some Accuracy for Coil. But Ive also checked some videos and saw that Determination was indeed good but not sure if that good comparing to Crit. Tried the Spell Speed Scholar has I guess and well awesome fast spells and thought why not meld the s*** out of vanya with it. And what about INT mat? Doesn't it scales damage nice?
So thats like it can some experienced BLM help me out please?
Thanks a lot!

[Biohazard901]

Cant use INT, those pieces are capped. CRIT Determination and ACC.

[NeoAmon]

If you bought HQ crafted set then yes INT is capped per piece. Here is the order of stat importance:

WP DMG > INT > ACC (429-437 with HQ food) > Det > Crit > Vit (If you hope to defeat Twintania one day you need health around 4.3k at least with party buff)> SS > Piety

Few notes:

1- In Coil as a BLM if you miss, you are royally %^*$^&#*^&() so don't you dare go in there without the minimum needed Acc.
2- You don't have to worry about INT with DL/Vanya HQ/ilvl90 Coil & Myth, they are all capped according to their ilvl.
3- Det is better than Crit when you are less than 7-8 ilvl90 pieces, after the 7-8 ilvl90 pieces Crit is forever better.
4- Relic +1 > all.
5- Piety can be used to achieve a new mana pool sweet spot at an exact 251 Piety. You would need a SHC in your group to reach that mark without wasting many slots on Piety or stat reset. Personally I would completely ignore it unless you are Lalafell.
6- Spell speed is not as good as Det or Crit but it is still a dps increase for us, yet I would not waste any mat slots on it when I could max out Det & Crit per piece.
7- Here is an excellent thread with google doc:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...age-Calculator

Hope this helps .

[Sleigh]

If you bought HQ crafted set then yes INT is capped per piece. Here is the order of stat importance:

WP DMG > INT > ACC (429-437 with HQ food) > Det > Crit > Vit (If you hope to defeat Twintania one day you need health around 4.3k at least with party buff)> SS > Piety

This ^

Apparently CHR becomes stronger as your damage increases, so once you're closer to iLVL90 gear you'll value it as much or maybe more than DET, but for iLVL70 and iLVL70 + iLVL90 hybrid builds, DET is the best stat to stack for BLM.

Just remember though, if you're gonna cap DET and put Savage Aim IIIs in as well, put them in first. On my server, Savage Aims are ridiculously expensive while Savage Mights aren't too bad.

[lBurnquist]

Thanks guys but 1 question:
if i have 251 piety with materia and no scholar on the group, the rotation would have 5 fire 1 right? and it would loo like this: thunder 3 fire 3 fire 1 (x5) thunder 2 blizz 3 repeat?

[Sleigh]

Thanks guys but 1 question:
if i have 251 piety with materia and no scholar on the group, the rotation would have 5 fire 1 right? and it would loo like this: thunder 3 fire 3 fire 1 (x5) thunder 2 blizz 3 repeat?

Thunder II. Thunder III is strictly for when you can perfectly time it as your tank is pulling, or you have a Thundercloud proc, or Swiftcast. Some people use Blizzard III at the start of a fight, but from my limited testing it's more or less the same DPS as skipping it.

You can still use the same rotation without 251 Piety, you just have to use Thunder, which truth be told isn't the biggest loss of potency in the world. Still a bigger DPS increase to increase Piety than the piddlings you get from DET and CHR, TBH.