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    Fyce Alvey
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinagleABagel View Post
    Ridiculous. You do realize that there are several different valid general strategies for every turn before you even consider the composition of the party - right? I don't want my FC copying my groups strategy because we don't run a BLM/SMN. If another raid group does - you should adjust accordingly. We explain mechanics and how we handled them. That doesn't mean it will work for everyone.

    Also - you clearly didn't read my entire post.
    Your post was, in short: "Don't explain things to newbies. Let them take some hits so they will learn that way". This the most absurd thing I've ever read.
    Are you going to say the same to your kids? "I didn't tell them running on the road was dangerous. I knew it was, but I think it's better if they learn by themselves" (yes, I know, comparing a real life situation to a game, what a silly thing to do).

    I'm not talking about spoonfeeding here (which is a wonderful term to use after my "children" comparison. If you don't "spoonfeed" your children, they will starve and die.), I'm talking about "first necessity" advices.
    "The dragon will breath twice instead of a single time when he's at 50% HP, be careful.
    ", "Hey, Tank, it's your first time, so be aware that you will have to move from here, to there at a point of the battle, otherwise we're all dead". That kind of stuff.

    Telling this to players who never did the fight doesn't serve them a "huge disservice", as you said. In fact, it can prevent your entire group from getting wiped, just because they will know to be on their guard for that specific moment. Maybe they will respond "Oh, yeah, I already saw that in a video, it should be ok, I'll do my best avoiding it". But, better safe than sorry.

    So, as I said, if you are not willing to help new player to have a better understanding about the game (again, I'm not talking about "spoonfeeding" garbage), you are a bad player yourself.

    "Let the party wipe a few time to see if they learn", is a terrible way of doing things.
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    Semir No'haelis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fyce View Post
    Your post was, in short: "Don't explain things to newbies. Let them take some hits so they will learn that way". This the most absurd thing I've ever read.
    You literally can't read. Here's my post.

    Quote Originally Posted by FinagleABagel View Post
    Wrong. How exactly do you think all of us figured it out? How do you think we became good?

    It has something to do about testing content for yourself and developing your own strategies. If you spoon feed a noob you will make that noob a bad player and do him/her a huge disservice. If a noob simply tries to copy what you do verbatim, boot em - they are a lost cause. Provide video tutorials at MOST, do not carry. Ever.
    Catch the part about providing video tutorials? You have to accept what works for A won't necessarily work for B, but what A does can influence how B handles things.

    I will always advocate that people develop their own play strategies. Unless a coil party has the exact same setup as mine, I will always advise to not do exactly what we do. Rather - I want them to understand why we do what we do. That way, they can develop their own strategy.

    This will always be more effective than what you advocate.

    Also, yes - I do want Coil groups to wipe initially. I want them to understand why their strategy failed and to think about how they should proceed. You have to let newcomers think for themselves. If they aren't willing to do that, I don't want them with our guild tag.
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    Player flamds1's Avatar
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    Arik Gesi
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    Quote Originally Posted by FinagleABagel View Post
    You literally can't read. Here's my post.



    Catch the part about providing video tutorials? Try again, before I decide to report you for slander. You have to accept what works for A won't necessarily work for B, but what A does can influence how B handles things.

    Lol at reporting someone for slander! Are you going to sue for monetary damages too?
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