Stop lying to your groups

[Suellen]

I have a question to those that form pugs or looking for extra members in their Titan/Coil or whatever runs. When you do your shout do you say "lf3m 1 healer 2 dps Titan HM. New players welcome" ?

I imagine if you were upfront about that you'd beless likely to get new people lying. Just a thought.

[gintoki88]

i think its more a 2 way street,
What ive seen happen is someone ask for help, like a strategy and the tank says "Get lost scrub" and leaves the group. Its most likely the reason why most first timers dont ask what to do in higher dungeon/primal fights. Most pricks just think they should already know the strategy and stuff to do.

Then if the team gets wiped, by an honest mistake, you will have pricks who just up and leave on first wipe. This is essentially annoying during HM primal fights as you can not replenish your members

[ispano]

i think its more a 2 way street,
What ive seen happen is someone ask for help, like a strategy and the tank says "Get lost scrub" and leaves the group. Its most likely the reason why most first timers dont ask what to do in higher dungeon/primal fights. Most pricks just think they should already know the strategy and stuff to do.

Then if the team gets wiped, by an honest mistake, you will have pricks who just up and leave on first wipe. This is essentially annoying during HM primal fights as you can not replenish your members

The problem is that by lying, you become just as bad the the people you described. I grew thick skin to people online a long time ago. If i'm new, or have doubts, etc, I will make them known. If some blowhard has an issue, I don't let it bother me. But it's disrespectful to go in under the presumption I know what i'm doing, when I don't. It's disrespectful to 3 or 7. That's something truly selfish people do, and I won't have any part of it, from either side.

Agreed. There is a reason people "lie"... And it's the "experienced" players that's at fault. Personally I never lied just cause I couldn't care less, I can always find a group. If not "experienced" then "inexperienced"... Both will get a win eventually.

It's not the experienced people's fault. It's the "special"(So as to not use something more vulgar) people. And even then? Not their fault either. The problem is you want to place blame on someone else. Even if those people were rude, jumped ship at the first word of someone new, etc. It's STILL the liars fault for lying that they are experienced when they are not. Period.

[Flionheart]

I hate explaining Demon Wall.

[Shioban]

“But I don’t say anything / lie because shout groups are asking for Relic +1 Pomeranians experienced in advanced fire hoop jumping and all I know how to play is the tuba”

I'm now advertising I want Relic+1 Pomeranians or bust.

But I completley agree, if you lie we'll find out, it's easier to just say "I've never done it before, would be okay with showing me how it's done?"

It's 10x better to ask and probably get accepted in anway than weasel your way into it, sure you'll get a few people that'll say no, but eventually someone will take you.
Alternatively shout for a "Amdapor Keep, Normal Run"

Why wouldnt i lie. IF i get into coil by lying then thats great. Id like to see the 7 other ppl qq just cause im new.
Especially if ive gone DPS i should be able to get carried and learn the fight or at least fail and get experiance.
Groups saying experiance only deserve ata least 1 new person. How else is anyone going to get a go in coil.

How obstinate of you, seven other players probably wouldn't mind showing you how to do it if you simply said "I'm not sure how this fight goes, can you guys show me how it works, it doesn't look too hard from the video, learning it in-game is easier I think though" VERY few groups will refuse you IF you are polite and considerate.

Going in with "lol, dem idiuts will cari m 2 turn 5 an i get alhagun wepun, h-huuuuuuuuuuh" will only leave you with a red-bottom when your team realises you have no clue what your doing after you eat your third balast, piercing laser or wiping the party to Allagan Rot.

Way to go /slowclap teamwork in a nut-shell.


In terms of 'How else do I get into a coil group?', you simply ask "My Paladin is geared and i'm willing to learn the fight, would you mind letting me come and show me how the fights works?" if they refuse you, you ask another.


Alternately, find a free-company, join as [job name here] and let them teach you and nurture you and gear you up and rainbows will be flying out of your arse when you realise "This is better this way!"

[BobbinT]

let me guess: happens in NA servers only? lol

Here's a funny tid-bit: Back when I do my pld relic, I joined df Titan thinking just for practice only. Didn't say much except say Hello. Next thing I know, the group won it and nailed my relic instantly.

So I guess 'Silence is Golden' eh? XD

[Vyserion]

Running into people with Garuda/Titan/Relic weapons who don't know how how Chimera, or Hydra, or Garuda adds work. Running into people with Relic weapons who do not dodge Imminent Catastrophe ever. I auto-assume everyone is inept at Titan regardless of gearing level, but the short version is...

I try to ask if people are new when coming to content where -their- mistakes can kill everyone else. Otherwise, if they're silent, I assume they either know or will learn the hard way. That said, it is incredibly frustrating when you actually ask people if they know content simply because you wish to explain it to them, and they flat out lie to you.

[MisakiSatomi]

It goes both ways. They lie to actually get into a group and then die. The other players bm him instead of explaining what to do. And then you can't at first explain because there are already two kinds of people, one patient enough to help you or just flat out trash talk and leave you... so they lie.

[Kazamoto]

1] People lie... get experience... then its no longer a lie.

2] People don't lie.. tank rage quits because new person.

3] People don't lie.. gets helpful group.. gets experience.. didn't lie.

4] People Lie, start their own group, demand relic's and experience, get their own experience.

1) is the easiest thing to do.

2) happens WAY more often than 3).

Causes 4).

[TeganLaron]

I think the biggest thing about being lied to is that it's very insulting. Then from that it makes it harder for you to accept the liar's mistakes, because they lied. If someone says it's their first time in Coil, Titan HM etc. Then it is much easier to forgive their mistakes when they miss a silence or get hit by a landslide. However if they've lied about being experienced, not only will you be annoyed because you'd expect better from them, but the feeling will be amplified if it's obvious they've lied.

If people are asking for experience, please don't lie. Yes, there are parties out there who only want experience. But there are also those who will be fine with teaching you the fight.