Stop lying to your groups

[Nullie]

I agree people shouldn't lie. That being said, why don't you play with people who you've had experience with before. If you don't want that happening then play with people who you know won't do things like that to you.

Anytime I join a pug, I am cautious of everyone. I don't automatically assume just because they say they are that they indeed really are. I've played with people who are great players and just have bad days, but I know they can do it. That day might be theirs. You might have had one of those bad days. I've had them before. There are also times when people have different strategies or do things another way. Like ADS T2. I've beat ADS with my statics way, but I'm not sure if I were to pug it, how they would do things. It helps for me to expect errors to happen regardless then to assume everyone knows their job and what they do.

For some reason, anytime I see "Pro Tip" it bothers me.

[Ryel]

I agree people shouldn't lie. That being said, why don't you play with people who you've had experience with before. If you don't want that happening then play with people who you know won't do things like that to you.

Anytime I join a pug, I am cautious of everyone. I don't automatically assume just because they say they are that they indeed really are. I've played with people who are great players and just have bad days, but I know they can do it. That day might be theirs. You might have had one of those bad days. I've had them before. There are also times when people have different strategies or do things another way. Like ADS T2. I've beat ADS with my statics way, but I'm not sure if I were to pug it, how they would do things. It helps for me to expect errors to happen regardless then to assume everyone knows their job and what they do.

For some reason, anytime I see "Pro Tip" it bothers me.

Actually i do, most anything i do progression-wise I'll mostly do with friends or the FC I'm in simply because those are people i know and like to play with, however i do also like to queue into the DF to help out on things or to have some fun with pickups, i just hate to see people turning perfectly good setups and winnable runs on their head and wipe for about an hour before they finally speak up and say "Sorry I haven't done this before" I wont even need the win but I'll feel bad for the people who do because they were essentially robbed of a fighting chance.

[Nullie]

Actually i do, most anything i do progression-wise I'll mostly do with friends or the FC I'm in simply because those are people i know and like to play with, however i do also like to queue into the DF to help out on things or to have some fun with pickups, i just hate to see people turning perfectly good setups and winnable runs on their head and wipe for about an hour before they finally speak up and say "Sorry I haven't done this before" I wont even need the win but I'll feel bad for the people who do because they were essentially robbed of a fighting chance.

I understand your point better with this post. I do the same. I like to play with pugs as well or help random people out. Hydra/Chimera/Titan. When I play with the groups though, I just expect bad things to happen and I try to adjust or prepare. It might be the fact that I play a healer and I'm always watching what my party does or expect for things to go completely wrong at any given moment. I don't however believe people who screw things up are always making it up that they are inexperienced. Sometimes I tell people to take a deep breath and to calm down. It does help as well. We are all humans and there will be times when errors happen.

On a related note, we have plenty of access to guides and videos of things. I really think people should at least watch a video and learn your role in the fight. It is better than running blind in and hoping everything goes correctly.

[Cobayn]

I tell people if I'm new and I've yet to encounter someone not willing to give me at least a quick rundown. For the same reason you stated: I don't want to be dead weight to the team. I hate the thought of being carried. I wouldn't learn anything AND I wouldn't be able to teach anyone else when it's my turn to give the rundown.

The reason a lot of people lie about knowing a dungeon is the stigma that's attached to not knowing something. In life in general. As if it was the biggest crime you could commit. Knowledge is not innate, we all gotta learn something at some point. But others can give you a hard time about it. You're a noob, a rookie, a greenhorn...

Shame cause spending 1-2 minutes explaining will save you a lot of time overall. If you think about it, every time you explain a run to someone, that person will in turn be able to explain it to others who will themselves be able to do the same. Snowball effect. You end up less likely to meet people who don't know. And it could be because you took time to explain it to one particular person.

If you don't care to explain, if you don't care to learn, well, pay for it.

To me that's a given.


EDIT: Yknow, I realised I kinda pointed the finger at those who already know, but won't share. That still stands, but I'd like to add that if you don't go on the interwebs and look for guides to AT LEAST get SOME idea of what you're getting yourself into, you're just as bad. Again a little work on both sides saves a lot of troubles.

[Will01]

I wish more people where like you op!

Asking so they can explain?

You make up about 1% of people, most ARE asking so they cannot invite me!!

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

Great post, Ryel. I must emphasise this:

At this point I think “wow this person is cool” I no longer care how much damage you eat or how many times you die because you just showed willingness to learn and try something; seriously mad props to you, you’re a rock star.

Really. On these forums you may read very obnoxious opinions from very cocky raiders who're just condescending people, in and out of the game. But in my personal experience, in a variety of MMORPG's, the OP's mindset is how it goes most of the time. People, on average, are much nicer than you may think.

I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I had my fair share of bad experiences in FFXIV (sadly, the average level of jerkiness in this game is a bit higher than what I've seen in most other MMO's), but you know what? IGNORE them. You know what's better than lying your way in with jerks, for your own enjoyment? DON'T PLAY WITH THEM. They don't deserve you, they don't deserve your lies; be honest and find nice people, that's how a game is enjoyed.

I PUG a lot, in many games, just because I like that (and one's FC might not always be online or available), and I can tell you that most people are willing to give you a chance. Just be honest about it and listen carefully, and ask questions if there's something you didn't understand. And if you screw up a fight: it's OK, it's normal, we all need some time to fully 'get' how to do these fights. What we don't like, however, is when people lie about their experience, don't want to learn anything, and don't own their mistakes. We all make mistakes. Lying about them doesn't get you any closer to a good result, let alone making you appreciated by your team. And let's not even talk about possible friendship which, eventually, is probably the point of playing game together, isn't it? Having a nice time, having fun, getting to know nice people and everything?

[Nura]

Everytime I go into A Primal Pug or a dungeon without my FC I write at the Start.

Hey there I am Nura your Friendly Blackmage, if you got Questions regarding the dungeon / Fight, feel free to ask and don't fear a kick. I am Glad to help you through the dungeon and looking forward to playing with you.

And then Everyone normaly say Hello and we go.
So I guess it would be ok. If you are not epxerienced with the fight as long as you don't fear to say the truth.

[Kat_Manx]

Yeah right, premades, sure, if they ask for an experienced player, don't join, but in Duty Finder, most of the time if you say "Hi, I'm new here" either the tank or the healer bolts. One time, I joined a WP DF, the other DPS said the above line, and the tank LITERALLY said "God, people like you just ruin the game" and left. People..who join a DF dungeon for the first time was..the worst thing that tank could imagine.

I don't tell you when I'm new because if I do, I'd never progress in the damn game. Blame the elitists, not the newbies.

[Ryel]

Yeah right, premades, sure, if they ask for an experienced player, don't join, but in Duty Finder, most of the time if you say "Hi, I'm new here" either the tank or the healer bolts. One time, I joined a WP DF, the other DPS said the above line, and the tank LITERALLY said "God, people like you just ruin the game" and left. People..who join a DF dungeon for the first time was..the worst thing that tank could imagine.

I don't tell you when I'm new because if I do, I'd never progress in the damn game. Blame the elitists, not the newbies.

This isn't something that happens every single time however, you have to keep in scale the number of people that play the game and figure that as many people who aren't nice in the DF there have to be just as many who could or would be given the opportunity (especially those that are OFFERING help).

The people who play are just as human as you are and may be having bad days / experiences the same, I'm not saying it's right that it gets taken out on others in the DF but it happens, you shrug it off and re-queue.

But when you walk in and willingly lie or say nothing when someone is trying to HELP you, that comes off as worse to be honest, you hurt not only your chances but the chances of everyone else who weren't (until that point) having a bad day.

[Grey_Cain]

I would like to add that you should stop, don't advance even if the rest of the party takes off without you, and speak up immediately.

I got caught up in the rush my first time in AK and didn't mention anything. I figured "What's the harm? I can deal with the trash and then just ask when they pause at the first boss." Then they went straight into the boss without a pause, and I was healing up a storm with no time to type. And it continued that way, up to the Demon Wall and beyond.

Demon Wall, though, is no joke. I hadn't even been through WP and here I was not even noticing the pit, getting caught by lines regularly because I didn't know the pattern, and even when I did figure out what to do, my shining Job AF1 couldn't get me through the murder hole. I was pretty stressed out because of all the cursing I was taking, because I knew it was my fault, but I still couldn't find the time to type. Sheer luck (and a change of DD) brought the wall down, and the party finally found out I was there for the first time when I got the map achievement. One boss explanation later, and the boss died in 1.

My first time in WP (joining a group in progress no less) I made sure to say it was my first time, and I got a great explanation.

Always mention that it's your first.