Stop lying to your groups

[Ryel]

This deserves to be spammed in every response in this thread. Linkshells exist for a reason and it is such a helpful tool. Start a new party, make a linkshell, invite the top performers. Rinse and repeat until you have about 10 people. Before you know it, you just made a semi-static of good players that should get you through Turn 4. That doesn't even count well run FCs that have a pool of raiders and are actively managing each Coil static.

The only time I will even entertain the idea of bringing a newcomer into one of my static raid groups is if most of that static raid group is new. Resources are provided for understanding mechanics (in the form of Youtube video tutorials) and leaders are available for additional questions, but from there it's up to the group.

Any sort of initiative seems totally lost on the upcoming Coil raiders. It's potentially a side effect of all of the Titan HM sales, which I do not regret making very popular at all. People just need to come down much harder on those who basically request to be carried through content.

I actually agree with almost all that you have posted although i know a lot of people are hesitant when it comes to starting up new groups, one of the great thing's about being an FC / LS is the ability to draw from the experiences of others when it comes to trying things.

As long as people aren't being thrown to the wolves when it comes to attempting content most probably wouldn't mind starting or leading their own groups when they have a person or two who has completed it around to show them the ropes on a personal level, I'd like to assume that most people aren't asking for a carry but merely some guidance or a point in the correct direction.

I think we all know the frustration of paving our way through content for the first time, and to be honest one of the issues i have with coil is that I'm unable to go back and help other groups when they're struggling.

[FinagleABagel]

I think we all know the frustration of paving our way through content for the first time, and to be honest one of the issues i have with coil is that I'm unable to go back and help other groups when they're struggling.

I believe that is intended. My guess is that Yoshi wants people to organically pass the content on their own merit, unlike Titan HM. I agree with that design decision.

Coil really isn't all that hard when you understand the mechanics. Mechanics are easily taught via videos. From there it's just execution, which *shouldn't* be hard. Yet for whatever reason, it is for a lot of people.

[Ryel]

I believe that is intended. My guess is that Yoshi wants people to organically pass the content on their own merit, unlike Titan HM. I agree with that design decision.

Coil really isn't all that hard when you understand the mechanics. Mechanics are easily taught via videos. From there it's just execution, which *shouldn't* be hard. Yet for whatever reason, it is for a lot of people.

While i agree with your statement, something about the "Go watch a video" approach has always bothered me, personal experience in both learning and teaching has always given me the impression that being in an instance to evaluate where things are going wrong from a first person perspective has yielded better results.

Obviously this greatly varies from person to person however.

[alhandra]

sometimes when i join a DF group i will say "o hai guys im new here anything i should know??" you'd be surprised how many jump ship before they even realize that i have my relic +1 and full DL. i think its funny to see how much people start sweating the instant they think they might have to explain something to someone new. personally i like teaching people dungeons, it makes the wins that much more rewarding.

[FinagleABagel]

sometimes when i join a DF group i will say "o hai guys im new here anything i should know??" you'd be surprised how many jump ship before they even realize that i have my relic +1 and full DL. i think its funny to see how much people start sweating the instant they think they might have to explain something to someone new. personally i like teaching people dungeons, it makes the wins that much more rewarding.

Because once you have Relic/DL - your gear means nothing again until Turn 5. Given that low threshold of gear (and yes, that's low) - it's all skilled based.

Not surprising that experienced groups don't want to deal with a new player. If you think gear will carry you through Coil - haha, no.

If you love teaching so much, why aren't you joining new groups? Also, all the teaching you need is on Youtube so....again, low threshold.

[alhandra]

Because once you have Relic/DL - your gear means nothing again until Turn 5. Given that low threshold of gear (and yes, that's low) - it's all skilled based.

Not surprising that experienced groups don't want to deal with a new player. If you think gear will carry you through Coil - haha, no.

If you love teaching so much, why aren't you joining new groups? Also, all the teaching you need is on Youtube so....again, low threshold.

ya i know gear doesnt mean much, however i wasnt talking about coil. i was talking about DF groups, i kinda said that in the first line of my post. i mentioned my gear because, it should be pretty obvious that if im in full DL and have my +1 its most likely not my first run of that dungeon, again i must stress since you missed it the firs time. this is in DF, as in DUTY... FINDER... groups....

[FinagleABagel]

ya i know gear doesnt mean much, however i wasnt talking about coil. i was talking about DF groups, i kinda said that in the first line of my post. i mentioned my gear because, it should be pretty obvious that if im in full DL and have my +1 its most likely not my first run of that dungeon, again i must stress since you missed it the firs time. this is in DF, as in DUTY... FINDER... groups....

....Relic+1 and DL is pretty dang standard for Coil. Maybe some people that really blasted through content and didn't maximize tomes per week might be stuck at Relic/DL. However, to think that DL gear is any indication of how far you've progressed in Coil is ridiculous. That is done through Allagan gear, noting that yes - some people could get screwed by the RNG.

So not only is sarcasm completely unwarranted, but what you imply is totally wrong.

Oh, and the DF should not and will not ever exist for Coil. I suggest you get over it.

While i agree with your statement, something about the "Go watch a video" approach has always bothered me, personal experience in both learning and teaching has always given me the impression that being in an instance to evaluate where things are going wrong from a first person perspective has yielded better results.

Obviously this greatly varies from person to person however.

Agreed. However, the focus of our videos is to explain mechanics not so much about what each individual person is doing. Not so sure about what other people are doing. The idea is to understand the mechanics but form a strategy around those mechanics individually, within each static group. I can't tell a group running a BLM/SMN to play the same way a BRD/BRD/DRG plays. That won't work.

Also, it's just too much work to have a video from the perspective of every possible job on every turn.

[alhandra]

....Relic+1 and DL is pretty dang standard for Coil. Maybe some people that really blasted through content and didn't maximize tomes per week might be stuck at Relic/DL. However, to think that DL gear is any indication of how far you've progressed in Coil is ridiculous. That is done through Allagan gear, noting that yes - some people could get screwed by the RNG.

So not only is sarcasm completely unwarranted, but what you imply is totally wrong.

Oh, and the DF should not and will not ever exist for Coil. I suggest you get over it.

wtf are you going on about? lol step back, take a breathe, wipe the spittle from your monitor. all i said was i thought i was funny to go into DF groups and say i was new and watch the scrubs start scrambling. thats it. i made no suggestions, nothing. i dont give a crap about what happens in coil.