Titan LAG complaint thread

[whilke]

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I'm really not sure why you think any VoIP solution (teamspeak/mumble/whatever) takes up a "huge amount of bandwidth". They do not, they are optimized to work under low bandwidth situations. ARR uses even less bandwidth then a VoIP connection. Running the two together is not going to strain anyone's internet connection, unless they are on dialup or a crappy cell link. Please stop giving out advice to subjects that you are not fully aware of.

If running a flash ad in a browser window while playing ARR is causing you to have video lag (you will net get network based issues from having a flash ad up), then you are going to have a lot of issues playing any game.

If SE doesn't improve the issue soon, they are just going to lose subs. People are not going to jump through hoops to play a game they pay for. They are just going to take their money to another game that doesn't have these issues (most every other AAA MMO).

[Grey_Cain]

Please stop giving out advice to subjects that you are not fully aware of.

You should take your own advice. I have run VoIP solutions in dungeons, ran with them right up to Haukke Manor. Then I had problems with lag with only me and one friend, shut down the VoIP, and magically everything ran better. VoIP has a lot of overhead. You can't say you're doing whatever you can to fix lag by pretending that VoIP isn't part of the problem. Or your browser. Or your music player. All the little things all begin to add up. On lower-end systems (the kind that are already at Standard graphics), you need to do what you can. On higher-end systems that are still getting lag, maybe the system isn't as high-end as you thought and something as simple as turning down the graphics can save you a lot of overhead.

Internet connections are a two-way street, but a lot of times you'll get programs and systems that like to drive down the middle and make it hard for the big stuff to get through. Pretending that everything is SE's fault isn't going to help you deal with the lag you have right now. Pretending that your lack of lag means others shouldn't have lag is likewise not useful to anyone.

[cotti]

You forgot the "Yet Another of The Same" in the thread title, OP.

[Katai]

Now for the truth:

Q2: You have said that in FFXIV: ARR, the character's position is checked by the server once every 0.3 seconds. However there are times where the character receives AoE damage even though the character on the screen is outside of the range. Seems like the information on character's position is not up to date. Is there any plan to make an adjustment to this?
A2: If we apply faster response times in all areas, the load on the servers will be too much. Therefore, while it will only be for certain areas (for example high-level content and the Wolves' Den), you will be able to notice the faster response times. Please stay tuned!

Might as well add same response to this thread. People have been waiting for this fix since 1.0

I'll believe it when I see it.

[Tarushade]

I'll tell you guys my (truthful) experience with (LAG). I ran of a 10mb DSL connection when I started ARR. Everything was fine and I couldn't understand what all this lag was people were talking about. Thought it was just an excuse myself. UNTIL I had to downgrade to a 1.5mb cable connection from a different company. Now I have 2 daughters and a wife that also get there nightly entertainment from the internet. Netflix Viooz streaming etc. With 2-3 people streaming movies, videos etc.. whenever I'm in a dungeon or grouped up with people, what happens is randomly all action on the screen will FREEZE, except me (I can still move), then 5-8 seconds later action resumes and I have lost aggro and party members are either dead or almost dead. This started as soon as I had to downgrade. So the post about streaming and faster internet is TRUE from my experience. Lag does exist, there are some people that are not making this up. It's very frustrating.

[whilke]

I'll tell you guys my (truthful) experience with (LAG). I ran of a 10mb DSL connection when I started ARR. Everything was fine and I couldn't understand what all this lag was people were talking about. Thought it was just an excuse myself. UNTIL I had to downgrade to a 1.5mb cable connection from a different company. Now I have 2 daughters and a wife that also get there nightly entertainment from the internet. Netflix Viooz streaming etc. With 2-3 people streaming movies, videos etc.. whenever I'm in a dungeon or grouped up with people, what happens is randomly all action on the screen will FREEZE, except me (I can still move), then 5-8 seconds later action resumes and I have lost aggro and party members are either dead or almost dead. This started as soon as I had to downgrade. So the post about streaming and faster internet is TRUE from my experience. Lag does exist, there are some people that are not making this up. It's very frustrating.

ARR does not need a lot of bandwidth to run, but if you are saturating your pipe, no matter your limit (bittorrent, multiple people streaming netflix, etc) then any real time internet connectivity is going to degrade.

This is not the same as telling people they need faster internet to play ARR. If you want to stream 3 netflix movies, and play ARR at the same time, sure make sure you have the correct bandwidth for your needs.

[Wildsprite]

I'm really not sure why you think any VoIP solution (teamspeak/mumble/whatever) takes up a "huge amount of bandwidth". They do not, they are optimized to work under low bandwidth situations.

latancy on mumble depends on where murmur(the server mumble runs with) is running mostly. if murmur is on the same machine as your game it cause you severe in game lag. speamspeak....despite what they want you to believe is not a low latancy VOIP solution, it is almost as bad as raidcall which is terrible when it comes to VOIP for gaming. whatever you do try to avoid skype for this

[whilke]

You should take your own advice. I have run VoIP solutions in dungeons, ran with them right up to Haukke Manor. Then I had problems with lag with only me and one friend, shut down the VoIP, and magically everything ran better. VoIP has a lot of overhead. You can't say you're doing whatever you can to fix lag by pretending that VoIP isn't part of the problem. Or your browser. Or your music player. All the little things all begin to add up. On lower-end systems (the kind that are already at Standard graphics), you need to do what you can. On higher-end systems that are still getting lag, maybe the system isn't as high-end as you thought and something as simple as turning down the graphics can save you a lot of overhead.

Internet connections are a two-way street, but a lot of times you'll get programs and systems that like to drive down the middle and make it hard for the big stuff to get through. Pretending that everything is SE's fault isn't going to help you deal with the lag you have right now. Pretending that your lack of lag means others shouldn't have lag is likewise not useful to anyone.

Sorry, but repeating the wrong information doesn't make it true. Here is some TS client bandwidth stats (via speedx which almost all voip uses now) : https://support.teamspeakusa.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/7/12/how-much-bandwidth-does-teamspeak-require

a client will typically use 12 Kbits up and down.. that's kilobits.... or 1.5kilobytes a second. If that is a strain on your connection, online games might not be for you.

[whilke]

latancy on mumble depends on where murmur(the server mumble runs with) is running mostly. if murmur is on the same machine as your game it cause you severe in game lag. speamspeak....despite what they want you to believe is not a low latancy VOIP solution, it is almost as bad as raidcall which is terrible when it comes to VOIP for gaming. whatever you do try to avoid skype for this

Your VOIP latency has nothing to do with the amount of bandwidth it's using. Please keep the reading comprehension up and understand what my post is about.

TS is a low latency VoIP solution but that is not the point. Use whatever voice communication you want, it will not cause ARR to suffer. If it does, you should not be playing online games as your on a modem.

[Tarushade]

ARR does not need a lot of bandwidth to run, but if you are saturating your pipe, no matter your limit (bittorrent, multiple people streaming netflix, etc) then any real time internet connectivity is going to degrade.

This is not the same as telling people they need faster internet to play ARR. If you want to stream 3 netflix movies, and play ARR at the same time, sure make sure you have the correct bandwidth for your needs.

Yea I understand. But what I was doin was giving an account of my "personal" experience. That's why I was adamant to list all factors in. The point was to put that out there and kinda give anyone in a similar situation an answer.