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    Player
    firepixiedarien's Avatar
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    Jugs Ofholyness
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    Exodus
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    Gladiator Lv 50

    Why would you do Crystal Tower when it drops inferior gear?

    Why would you run Beastmen dailies for Tomes when 8m WP runs are more efficient?

    Why would you do Coil when 8m WP runs gives the same ilvl gear?

    Why do I sit in front of my computer arguing this with so-called "hardcore" people??









    ....for fun.

    Your argument will be that challenging content that rewards better gear is fun too, and I would agree.

    But obviously SE doesn't care about you. This is clearly evident with the release of inferior content in 2.1
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    Player Arriverderci's Avatar
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    Noel Kreiss
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50
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    Akira Ono
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    i80 is mainly to fill in slots to help advance to T5 easier. Yes, it's already easy to do t1-3 and t4 is more of a DPS check, but now it'll be even easier. It'll help get to those magical HP numbers to absorb a fireball to the face.
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Lamia
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    Samurai Lv 100
    What does this fun thing mean? Is it even in the English dictionary?

    I want to have more fun in this game and this content delivers. I've recently found myself just spamming Titan HM runs because... well, despite the lag I can't fix, he's fun to fight. More fun if the people you're partied with don't have a raging problem.
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    Lyrre Myste
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    Dark Knight Lv 80
    because optimized grinding is the most boring thing on the planet.
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    Marley Tiva
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    Sargatanas
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Will be kinda nice gearing other jobs with CT as opposed to loot whoring it up in the Coil.
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    Yuri Ramona
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    What people fail to grasp is that hardcore players are not necessarily shiny-seekers and gear-mongers.

    They want the best equipment available so that they can tackle the most challenging content implemented and complete it in the most efficient and effective means possible.

    Crystal Tower drops item level 80 equipment but is tuned so that players in item level 55-60 will be able to clear it. For comparison, Amdapor Keep requires item level 50-55, Titan Hard Mode requires around item level 60, and the Binding Coil of Bahamut requires item level 80 (through Turn 5).

    Crystal Tower is a step back in the challenge, and so hardcore or dedicated players would have to purposefully handicap themselves several tiers of equipment in order for the dungeon to be truly challenging (that is, testing the limits of ability).

    It's completely fair that players who have cleared encounters requiring high item level requirements are only going to receive less challenging content.
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    Pururu Puru
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriRamona View Post
    It's completely fair that players who have cleared encounters requiring high item level requirements are only going to receive less challenging content.
    Wow, it's as if the content that wasn't design for people who clear Coil isn't for the people who clear Coil, and there totally aren't more turns coming in 2.2... I mean it is really strange that they don't just dedicate an entire content patch to the less than maybe one percent of any given server's population that's cleared Turn 5. I mean after all you guys must be paying tens... no hundreds of thousands of dollars individually for your subscriptions so that content development revolves around you.
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    Player Shioban's Avatar
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    Shio Ban
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    Twintania
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mitternacht View Post
    Wow, it's as if the content that wasn't design for people who clear Coil isn't for the people who clear Coil, and there totally aren't more turns coming in 2.2... I mean it is really strange that they don't just dedicate an entire content patch to the less than maybe one percent of any given server's population that's cleared Turn 5. I mean after all you guys must be paying tens... no hundreds of thousands of dollars individually for your subscriptions so that content development revolves around you.
    The original development release was meant to be Primals > Tower > Coil, so they're only releasing what they originally intended.


    PRE CRYSTAL TOWER "Can you come on Black Mage instead of Scholar for Twintania Shioban?" "Why no I can't, I dont have the gear for it"
    AFTER CRYSTAL TOWER "Can you come on Black Mage instead of Scholar for Twintania Shioban?" "Why yes I can, I have all this Crystal Tower gear, neato"

    Don't tell me this update is 'for casuals' OR 'for elitests' when I've injected more time into this game than half, these past few months.
    You're NOT going to be able to gear your off-jobs entirely in The Binding Coil of Bahamut with lock-outs, the drops are too far and few between, ontop of RNG.



    TL;DR

    This is an update for everyone, for casual players to catch up and those further ahead gearing up sub-jobs and various missing gear-slots.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoonite View Post
    I had a really long post but the site doesn't want me to post beyond 1000 characters so I've just got this.

    I'll agree some of their logic and reasoning is beyond flawed and stupid (extreme primals) but if they just flat out didn't care, we'd all be playing FF13: Lightning Browses the Web.
    Type your comment, Ctrl+X most of it, publish the comment, go back to it click edit post, past it back in, that way you can bypass the restriction.

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    Last edited by Shioban; 11-23-2013 at 12:10 PM.

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    Kaguya Houraisan
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 61
    Quote Originally Posted by YuriRamona View Post
    It's completely fair that players who have cleared encounters requiring high item level requirements are only going to receive less challenging content.
    True.

    But you're the tiny minority.
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