New items not an ilvl upgrade? Then at least they should be true sidegrade!

[IzumiRaito]

The pain of new gear not being better than previous would be much lower if it there were some horizontal progression gear. This way it would give players more incentive to get another item with same or lower ilvl, as long as it had a special effects. Even for collecting, so that it "may come in handy" in battle, not just vanity, which wont be in 2.1 anyway.

The horizontal progression could be realized by making certain items or sets give player additional "traits" or "skills", for the price of some secondary stats on item. Gear change in combat is already disabled, so there wont be gear-per-attack.

The traits can give bonuses to particular skill or alter how some works. Like make a dot do damage over shorter period of time.

Maybe with voice of community being strong enough it will be someday soon realized.

[jumpypuppet]

i agree completely. my hope is that the new primal weapons will retain the same weapon damage as the relics, if not the +1s, but have different stats. omnilex has mind, det and spell speed; it would be awesome, for example, if the primal book swapped one of those stats for another useful stat, like piety or crit.

i think this would open up new build paths. or just give people more ways to min/max but at least it'd be something to do.

[Teleniel]

CT has been known from before even beta to be pre-coil content. please stop complaining that they haven't made better stuff already, when you lived under a rock and didn't hear about this.

[jumpypuppet]

CT has been known from before even beta to be pre-coil content. please stop complaining that they haven't made better stuff already, when you lived under a rock and didn't hear about this.

"stop complaining?" that's a little harsh considering TC only mentioned CT in the first sentence and didn't make a big deal out of it. the point of the post was that horizontal progression as it relates to the new weapons would be a good thing. or don't you agree

[Teleniel]

Tower was never designed to be horizontal progression. It was designed to be pre-coil. Therefor the equipment from it was not designed to be horizontal progression. As for adding additional special features to equipment, the team has stated that they would not have that for a significant period at the start of the game (if ever) because that caused balance issues. I expect our first horizontal progression equipment will be similar to Colosseum gear which has a certain ilv and will allow you to customize which additional stats you would like with materia.

[Tribunus]

The problem with horizontal progression is people figure out the BiS and everyone flocks to it, its made even worse here because there is no option to run different specs on a class (similar to RIFT etc). It just doesnt work here, vertical progression does however and would work infinitely better.

[jumpypuppet]

i realize now that TC was in fact talking about CT. i wasn't. i was talking about the extreme primal weapons, which i think should absolutely be viable alternatives to the relics

The problem with horizontal progression is people figure out the BiS and everyone flocks to it, its made even worse here because there is no option to run different specs on a class (similar to RIFT etc). It just doesnt work here, vertical progression does however and would work infinitely better.

it seems lazy to me to say that having more choices is bad because the majority of people will choose a certain thing. why have any choice at all, then?

[Luso]

The problem with horizontal progression is people figure out the BiS and everyone flocks to it, its made even worse here because there is no option to run different specs on a class (similar to RIFT etc). It just doesnt work here, vertical progression does however and would work infinitely better.

Most people are already flocking towards BiS items right now. It is not very hard to get Allagan pieces and mythology tomes right now.

[zdub303]

i agree completely. my hope is that the new primal weapons will retain the same weapon damage as the relics, if not the +1s, but have different stats.

The extreme primal weapons are ilvl 90, meaning they will have the same weapon damage as Relic +1 - stats are TBD but I think its pretty likely the secondary stats will be different from relic +1 stats.

[TrystWildkey]

Again? Is there an entire sub-set of players that doesn't find actual content relevant unless it provides better gear?

I just don't understand this...