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  1. #31
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    juniglee's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Delenia Forcentis
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    Tonberry
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    Marauder Lv 70
    I wish I had more of these slow players, like OP, in my DF as a tank. Then I can take my time and spiritbond forever. I don't mind taking an extra 15 minutes to clear it, never enjoyed speed runs anyway (although I am perfectly capable of doing it).
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  2. #32
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    Asdamine's Avatar
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    Lea Sahaquiel
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 50
    Tanks who do not inspect their teammates' gear and lead a speed pull without consulting others are, in my opinion, bad tanks/ or simply, rude. It is just a common courtesy to inform others of your intentions, particularly to other whom you have just met.

    If they have certain expectation on how a run should be conducted, they should use a pre-made. DF is not the place for it.
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  3. #33
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    Elim's Avatar
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Asdamine View Post
    Tanks who do not inspect their teammates' gear
    ...or their own gear.

    I've seen a PUG tank with 3900 HP attempt a speed run. He melted in two seconds. lol
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  4. #34
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    Pesmergia's Avatar
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    Gridania
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    Pesmergia Unknown
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Malendroit View Post
    Good work on ignoring a completely valid question...

    To answer your question, 30-35 minutes is completely fine in DF and not at all unexpected.

    As an experienced WHM, I go into every DF expecting a 25ish minute speed-like run. I'd rather join up in a PUG on my server and do a 15ish minute speed-run.

    Speed runs are designed for everyone being properly geared and having the proper party setup as well. +1 relic/Full DL is generally the minimum people want. Duty Finding this and expecting everyone to have this is absurd.
    They should be adjusting to the groups abilities, NOT having the group adjust to their abilities.

    I wish you luck, Aegys!
    He didn't ignore a valid question, he gave a valid answer.
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  5. #35
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    Pesmergia's Avatar
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    Pesmergia Unknown
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    Behemoth
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Asdamine View Post
    Tanks who do not inspect their teammates' gear and lead a speed pull without consulting others are, in my opinion, bad tanks/ or simply, rude. It is just a common courtesy to inform others of your intentions, particularly to other whom you have just met.

    If they have certain expectation on how a run should be conducted, they should use a pre-made. DF is not the place for it.
    Maybe he inspected his gear? it doesn't take a relic to heal a speedrun, in fact, I healed it with a crappy ilvl 55 weapon.

    It just takes aoe dps (brd + blm), even if they are crappy geared, as long as they can aoe good, the run can be done still, I've done it.
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    Last edited by Pesmergia; 12-06-2013 at 03:16 PM.

  6. #36
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aegys View Post
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    When I queue as a tank the group usually runs anywhere from 20 to 28 minutes, even if largely using AF gear. That said, I'll base my speed on the gear inspections at the start and keep them updated on where the pull will end before I get there, or entirely before I pull it. If we wipe, I consider that my fault unless the healer went AFK without warning.

    That said, I do tend to be a bit terse: "Skipping rest. No dps. Watch heal threat. Take them to the boss zone barrier." Usually pull the boss on my own with a DF group that seems unfamiliar with speedruns. At worse case I lock the boss out too and it resets, restoring some 500 health.

    ...I'll admit I do expect people not to trigger adds or cutscenes while the party is still in combat though, and can get quite annoyed with those who keep the Tonberry in perpetual party-chase after pulling it, if only because they're common sense mechanics/ideas once encountered a single time.
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  7. #37
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    Brises Ravenheart
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    This is really all about communication. I am in the same boat as the OP in which there is rarely a FC tank available when I am online. So often 3 of us df a tank. And it's not that we don't know how or can't do a sr, we have been doing 10 runs per week for quite a while now. But most players will just start off without saying anything. Contrary to what they may assume, different players do it different ways. If the tank is pulling through 4 groups of mobs and there is no blm in the party, I'm going to have to divine seal and spam cure II or the tank will die. Also rushing into a boss fight when mp is low. It's not whether to do or not to do a sr, it's being aware of what's going on and communicating.
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  8. #38
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    Silver Healer
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    Adamantoise
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Game been around long enough that most groups should beable to speedrun DF . If not then pray you get a tank who isn't like me .
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  9. #39
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    Silver Healer
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    Adamantoise
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    That said, I do tend to be a bit terse: "Skipping rest. No dps. Watch heal threat. Take them to the boss zone barrier." Usually pull the boss on my own with a DF group that seems unfamiliar with speedruns. At worse case I lock the boss out too and it resets, restoring some 500 health.
    Some DF groups are just not possible to SR with especially if the DPS is weak.

    Then you get some DPS who pull mobs from you while you are sprinting and end up dying .
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  10. #40
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    Qui'qui Snafkin
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    Faerie
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 60
    Any tank, or other member that queue's DF and automatically expects, or tries to force a sp is an inconsiderate douche. I had a drg try that crap with my group and he paid the price as he ran off pulling all the mobs to me. I just stepped away and waved as his face got eaten. Then I picked up all the mobs and cleared them. He left DF before we cleared the group and a new dps popped in and we carried on. It made for a good laugh as the rest of us joked about it.
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