Titan [Extreme Mode]

[Ryans]

lol last night all i can think about after seeing this is the bad things like:

Yoshis thoughts on the Titan/Primal fights:

*Lagg what lagg i play near a server theres no lagg so lets add more of the mechanics i read about that kills laggers!
As interesting as the fights looks they really are a big **** You to players who have complained about lagg & nothings been done.

* IS yoshi & the dev team aware that LB2/LB3 for tanks is usless & tested in hard mode & does not save partys from ANYTHING except small, medium'ish damage hits...... Clearly not

* people have been complaining since 1.0 about 1 hit K.O. Mechanics & to get rid of them so lets add MORE & MORE & MORE... Just to piss them off more.

*Why doesnt my Titan Egi look look like that?!!!!!!

A day later:
I'm now thinking how Epic this fight is going to be!

I understand why you wouldn't want content that is nearly impossible with lag issues, but that is no reason to be selfish. There are more people who don't have regular problems with lag (at least on my server) than people that do. Making toned down content that is boringly easy for people without lag issues just ruins that content for even more people.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

There are more people who don't have regular problems with lag (at least on my server) than people that do.

Would love to see your source. Maybe your server is more populated with NA players, but you can't make a generalisation based off one server out of 60+.

Doesn't seem to be the case judging by the numbers on this forum (only bigger sub-group than people with lag is people asking for FFXI-2).

[Ryans]

Would love to see your source. Maybe your server is more populated with NA players, but you can't make a generalisation based off one server out of 60+.

Doesn't seem to be the case judging by the numbers on this forum (only bigger sub-group than people with lag is people asking for FFXI-2).

I thought it was fairly well known that only a small percentage of the population posts on the forums. Add in that people in general don't comment on things that are working for them, if they did you'd see three "Titan success!" posts for every "I can't beat Titan" posts, and it's safe to assume that most players have a tolerable level of lag.

It truly is a case by case situation when it comes to people with lag. I personally play with people from England and Russia on an NA server and they don't have issues, but people I PUG with from America routinely blame lag for every death. It's a tough decision on whether or not you should believe every "It was lag" statement you hear as it's an easy copout when you make a mistake. But that is beside the point. There are still more people with a tolerable level of lag than without.

[Alcyon_Densetsu]

I thought it was fairly well known that only a small percentage of the population posts on the forums. Add in that people in general don't comment on things that are working for them, if they did you'd see three "Titan success!" posts for every "I can't beat Titan" posts, and it's safe to assume that most players have a tolerable level of lag.

It truly is a case by case situation when it comes to people with lag. I personally play with people from England and Russia on an NA server and they don't have issues, but people I PUG with from America routinely blame lag for every death. It's a tough decision on whether or not you should believe every "It was lag" statement you hear as it's an easy copout when you make a mistake. But that is beside the point. There are still more people with a tolerable level of lag than without.

While everything you say is probably true—said so myself, I share most of your opinions here—that last statement of yours (in bold) still isn't proved.

That forums population is much lower than in-game population (it's usually less than 1%), and by no means representative I agree, still doesn't mean that when a huge proportion of these posters seem to share an issue, or an opinion, it's not potentially true to some comparable degree in the larger population. I can't say that it is, but likewise can't conclude otherwise. My personal experience on Ragnarok is that more people seemed to have troubles with lag than not, most FC's I know use VPN's to alleviate the matter (or they just couldn't play properly). Most people I've seen quit playing did so because of the lag, much more often that because they didn't like the game. That, also, is a trend not usual for MMO's, enough for it to be considered.

Furthermore on other forums, on popular gaming websites, the issue is often the biggest topic everywhere. Most claim to have issues, few claim otherwise. Again, not necessarily representative, still a trend that appears quite clearly. If so many people didn't have any issue, and lag was a minority problem, and if other topics are any indication, these lag topics wouldn't get so big, and so unanimous in their claims.

So unless we see numbers, that statement of yours is just opinion. Which is fine, you're entitled to that; but it's by no means fact.

[Astarica]

The biggest subsection of the population probably gets hit by AEs and do not even know that they're lagged because they're not good enough to think they should've dodged that.

If you start out good enough to not notice the lag you're already way in the 1% of the skill level, though I question how anyone can even be in the 1% of the skill level and not notice that the timing for all dodging abilities are fundamentally different in this game than other games. The only way that's possible is if someone just has incredible reflexes while simultaneously having literally no idea how the game actually works. Anyone with a remote understanding of how a standard MMORPG works will quickly realize the timing on this game is simply off, regardless of whether they can avoid the AEs or not.

[prymortal]

I understand why you wouldn't want content that is nearly impossible with lag issues, but that is no reason to be selfish. There are more people who don't have regular problems with lag (at least on my server) than people that do. Making toned down content that is boringly easy for people without lag issues just ruins that content for even more people.

I do agree.
(But only if they make the Extreme quests so you dont need to complete it to go onto the next extreme primal because even with the "issues" you still can do certain ones (HM) but not certain others (HM), because then they are locking players out by there own games faults!)

[Nura]

Would love to see your source. Maybe your server is more populated with NA players, but you can't make a generalisation based off one server out of 60+.

Doesn't seem to be the case judging by the numbers on this forum (only bigger sub-group than people with lag is people asking for FFXI-2).

Odin Server here, My Whole FC has nearly no lag problems killing Titan Easialy and without problems normaly people are just not fast enough to evade.

And seeing that screenshot makes it so easy to doge you can just stand on the blue line and you won't get hit easy as that. and since they are only crossing at the start. ... well doesn't seem so hard anymore

[KairaZ]

If u get hit by something stahp blame it on lag. Ur reaction time just sucks then

[StarMarmot]

Hmm Money is Incoming. I am looking forward to it but seeing it is extremly harder it should be around 1.5kk not only 1kk.

Personally I think it should be between 1.5hhh and 2hhh.

[Lunavi]

I can tell that alot of the people who complains about lag does not know that they can use an ability to force the server to update their position. Since I started to do that the only times I got hit was when my reaction times where indeed to slow due to me playing like a derpaherp :P