24 man content DOA

[Roris]

It's called artificially extending the content, by making sure you don't have a full coordinated group of 24 people you'll have to depend on 16 other random people who might or might not have perfected the content to run it fast enough, you'll also have to fight against the Duty Finder queues meaning more time between each run and since each run only drops a single chest for your own party well there you go, content extended for another 3 more months.

Please look forward to it.

[Alhanelem]

Some of us worked our asses off to get an FC together that DOES have enough active raiders to do this content together. That is the entire point of my thread, but apparently your whiteknight goggles are on.

I'm not white knighting. My point is that this content is made for the duty finder, and in fact MOST FCs do NOT have 24+ people to gather up for this instance. This isn't a matter of white knighting, it's a simple fact. Stop throwing around the term when you don't even know what it means apparently.

Nerf it into the ground and then make it impossible for FCs to do it together?

Um, it's not being nerfed into the ground? It's not impossible for FC's to do it together? The average size including on and offline members of an FC is probably less than 20? Form an 8 man group. Your very same logic can be used against what you want: If they delay the crystal tower longer, it will be even less relevant when it comes out. Maybe they should just not release it at all then?

No FC is going to "crumble" over this, and the functionality that caters to the few FCs that can actually field 24 people for one event will come later. For the rest of us, we can enjoy the content now. I haven't made any point that should make people angrier, it should make them happier or not "make" them anything. at all.

Personally I would rather had them delay the game launch so they can you know finish the game.

The game is no more or less "finished" than any MMO was at its launch. As you should know and should keep you from making such comments, MMOs are never "finished." They could delay the game 10 years to add 100 new dungeons and 20 new battle systems, or they could let us play it now and intdoduce those things gradually over time.

I don't "defend everything this company does." There are plenty of things I'm not super happy with and/or wish would be changed in a certain way. That being said I do not see the problem in what they're doing with this dungeon. The people complaining about it are not the people that the dungeon was being made for in the first place. Apparently we're not allowed to be happy with things, doing so gets us branded "white knights."

"White Knighting" is blindly defending something with no logical reason or basis e.g. defending something as "just fine" just because, with no actual reasoning. I do not do such things. If I defend something I have a good reason for it. You should be more worried about "Black Knighting" where people just bash things for the sake of bashing them rather than because they have a real good reason.

[YuriRamona]

Um, it's not being nerfed into the ground? It's not impossible for FC's to do it together? The average size including on and offline members of an FC is probably less than 20? Form an 8 man group. Your very same logic can be used against what you want: If they delay the crystal tower longer, it will be even less relevant when it comes out. Maybe they should just not release it at all then?

No FC is going to "crumble" over this, and the functionality that caters to the few FCs that can actually field 24 people for one event will come later. For the rest of us, we can enjoy the content now. I haven't made any point that should make people angrier, it should make them happier or not "make" them anything. at all.

The game is no more or less "finished" than any MMO was at its launch. As you should know and should keep you from making such comments, MMOs are never "finished." They could delay the game 10 years to add 100 new dungeons and 20 new battle systems, or they could let us play it now and intdoduce those things gradually over time.

I don't "defend everything this company does." There are plenty of things I'm not super happy with and/or wish would be changed in a certain way. That being said I do not see the problem in what they're doing with this dungeon. The people complaining about it are not the people that the dungeon was being made for in the first place. Apparently we're not allowed to be happy with things, doing so gets us branded "white knights."

The original post specifically said that his Free Company was specifically formed with this specific content in mind for their specific 24-person group composition. There are many FCs in a similar/identical situation, since the Crystal Tower was (admittedly, unjustifiably) hyped as an epic 24-person encounter, and it is not inconceivable that many of them will be incredibly frustrated, if not destroyed, by this lack of functionality.

[Ozz]

Crystal Tower is ruined for me because of this. Duty finder is supposed to exist to match parties and fill gaps for players who either dont have enough people in their FC/LS at the time or match people who want to jump in an be matched to get a group rather than shout.
To not be able to run this raid with my FC/LS friends makes me not want to do it at all. I play this game to do content with mates and be social, I dont want to rely on random DF groups where people have their own motives and strategies.
Thats my rant. I hope the community reps pass our feedback to YoshiP and the dev team.

[Roris]

I hope the community reps pass our feedback to YoshiP and the dev team.

They might but this sadly looks by design and nothing can be done about it. One, they'd have to code a way to form an alliance outside of instances which they won't because the 2.1 branch is pretty much finished by now, even though the alliance framework is already there just locked into the CT instance but whatever, it's most likely already implemented in their 2.2+ branch.

Second is artificially extending the content by having uncoordinated and unexperienced groups each time, just look at how many duty finder groups still have issues with Garuda Hard and even Ifrit Hard, not even mentioning Titan Hard or even dungeons. Of course you can twist this by saying this allows less dedicated people without a FC to clear content and that's well and fine, but there goes pretty much the whole battle content related purpose of a FC in regards to CT.

Plenty of dedicated FCs have well more than 24 people by now too, anyone who says otherwise is simply ignorant or loves SE and Final Fantasy too much. They did say CT was going to be 24 man content for close to a year before release many times, and that was one of the main reasons to form a FC for a lot of people.

[Minigae]

Was already DOA when it was content behind coil. All we have now to do is a couple extreme modes for a long time nothing but coil to upgrade us(and not much of an upgrade in there anyway). The only raid turns out to be absolutely worthless to anyone that's been playing the game up till now because we already have mostly ilvl 90 gear. I am on a new server and have every class/craft/gather to 50 I cant imagine what 1.0 players that started on already leveled characters going to have to do.
And forcing duty finder on ANYONE specially with as bad as the playerbase is in ARR is cruel and unusual punishment.

[Alhanelem]

Was already DOA when it was content behind coil.

No, it wans't. You might be conquering coil but the vast majority of the player base has not. Even people who have cleared coil will have some reason to do it (at least, the people who are willing to branch out and play more than 1 job in the game), but this content is aimed at the general populace, not endgamers. That doesn't make it dead on arrival.

[OmegaBlack]

Hey buddy can u leave the instant we are trying to run with fc member.. Thanks....Nooo.. Dude why not we ask u nicely.... I want to run it to and i dont have alot of time to play.......... Common man just leave u @#¤¥ we want to run with fc.JUST KICK HIM!!!! We cant he hasnt gone afk for 5 mins.. lmao and thats what going to happen in CT goo DF

PS wth he's still moving

[Wobi]

Hey buddy can u leave the instant we are trying to run with fc member.. Thanks....Nooo.. Dude why not we ask u nicely.... I want to run it to and i dont have alot of time to play.......... Common man just leave u @#¤¥ we want to run with fc.JUST KICK HIM!!!! We cant he hasnt gone afk for 5 mins.. lmao and thats what going to happen in CT goo DF

PS wth he's still moving

I'm hoping they were smart enough to make sure a strong majority was required to kick so that the honest players might outnumber the bad. You will be unable to add your FC mate if they log on all of a sudden because you are in the DF world. But sadly from the attitude I've seen in this thread alone I don't have high hopes for responsible Vote-Kick use. Hopefully they will allow for a GM review and perma-bans for abusers.

[Alhanelem]

Yes I know what a whiteknight is, and yes you are one.

No, I don't, and no, I am not. You certainly are a black knight though, who can't be satisfied by any reasonable counterargument.

A: You are butthurt your FC is small and can't do it alone
or
B: You are just a blatant whiteknight.

I'm guessing both.

Try "None of the above." I certainly have more than enough people in my circle of friends to form a party for this content.

The original post specifically said that his Free Company was specifically formed with this specific content in mind for their specific 24-person group composition.

It's quite honestly beyond me why anybody in their right mind would specifically form a company for content that hasn't been released which we had no details on. You don't know how it's going to work. You can't prepare for something without that kind of information, so why form a group without that information?

Wow, you are a smart one! You just completely described yourself with your definition of White Knighting.

I gave perfectly reasonable arguments in defense of the current situation. You're free to disagree with them, but that doesn't make me a "white knight." You seem enjoy branding people, but I guess that's just par for the course on the internet.

Nobody thinks that reason is legitamate, except for you and other trolls like you.

I'm not a troll, you are, and just because you don't like something doesn't mean nobody does.

You basically spent your entire post attacking me instead of arguing for your postion, proof positive that you are a black knight and don't care what anyone else thinks, your opinion is the only "right" one. Attacking the person is a logical fallacy, didn't you know?

Of course speculative posts are incredibly alarmist and carry a 'sky-is-falling' mentality. Players will ramp up / exaggerate their concern to get feedback when they feel they are not being heard (as is the case right now for most angry posters).

While MIP and Vote-kick will help, it won't solve the problem. That's mostly the issue here - is that SE recognizes and has responded to many of the issues (trolls, griefers, AFKers) but only promised a partial solution. I say partial because the angry posters here can see that the obvious/glaring/clear full solution - 24-person alliance formation support, and believe (reasonably or not) that it should be easy to implement.

I agree fully with this reasonable statement.