24 man content DOA

[Battlewrench]

I've got 2 i90 pieces and will want to do CT when I'm locked out or bored, 3 if you count the relic weapon, and 4 as soon as next week rolls around. If it gives myth tomes I will also want to go through it more often than anything else because it has a chance to get rid of the DL I have left. Don't want to have to do duty finder groups if I don't have to. It probably increases the chance of failing the run by at least 50%. Does CT lock out for the week or can it get spammed?

[Wobi]

You are everything that is wrong with this game's community. I wish I could ban people like you from the thread.

Yes, personal attacks against me are much better than arguing my point. They at no point declared crystal tower would have better gear, it was meant to come out before Coil but that is not how things turned out. The fact is it will be a decent way for geared players to fill out slots in alt jobs until they get i90 or better and for those not clearing Coil on a regular basis they will have gear to help that become a possibility.

[Roris]

It's called artificially extending the content, by making sure you don't have a full coordinated group of 24 people you'll have to depend on 16 other random people who might or might not have perfected the content to run it fast enough, you'll also have to fight against the Duty Finder queues meaning more time between each run and since each run only drops a single chest for your own party well there you go, content extended for another 3 more months.

Please look forward to it.

[YuriRamona]

Reported. Try to argue points like an adult. On topic, few people realize that the *majority* of the FFXIV population is not clearing Turns 1-4 on the regular, even fewer for turn 5. This will allow them to gear up and have some fun. Don't rain on their parade.

His exact point is that undergeared, underprepared, incompetent, or otherwise bad groups CAN and WILL and MUST "rain on the parades" of parties that are prepared, competent, and pre-formed.

What will stop random players or entire parties from trolling the entire alliance? From going AFK? From pulling and MPKing the party? From stalling progress? Nothing. That is why we need restrictions on who we can clear CT with, and ideally, allow full alliances to form before entry.

If our goal is to allow for casual players to clear encounters and have a good time, it absolutely should not be at the expense of players who expect the bare minimum (or, god forbid, higher) standards among their alliance members.

Given that Duty Finder server groups are spread among worlds and we have no cross-server social capabilities, this current situation will serve to force better players to carry non-dedicated players through a dungeon. It's inexcusable and needs to be addressed.

[Alhanelem]

Some of us worked our asses off to get an FC together that DOES have enough active raiders to do this content together. That is the entire point of my thread, but apparently your whiteknight goggles are on.

I'm not white knighting. My point is that this content is made for the duty finder, and in fact MOST FCs do NOT have 24+ people to gather up for this instance. This isn't a matter of white knighting, it's a simple fact. Stop throwing around the term when you don't even know what it means apparently.

Nerf it into the ground and then make it impossible for FCs to do it together?

Um, it's not being nerfed into the ground? It's not impossible for FC's to do it together? The average size including on and offline members of an FC is probably less than 20? Form an 8 man group. Your very same logic can be used against what you want: If they delay the crystal tower longer, it will be even less relevant when it comes out. Maybe they should just not release it at all then?

No FC is going to "crumble" over this, and the functionality that caters to the few FCs that can actually field 24 people for one event will come later. For the rest of us, we can enjoy the content now. I haven't made any point that should make people angrier, it should make them happier or not "make" them anything. at all.

Personally I would rather had them delay the game launch so they can you know finish the game.

The game is no more or less "finished" than any MMO was at its launch. As you should know and should keep you from making such comments, MMOs are never "finished." They could delay the game 10 years to add 100 new dungeons and 20 new battle systems, or they could let us play it now and intdoduce those things gradually over time.

I don't "defend everything this company does." There are plenty of things I'm not super happy with and/or wish would be changed in a certain way. That being said I do not see the problem in what they're doing with this dungeon. The people complaining about it are not the people that the dungeon was being made for in the first place. Apparently we're not allowed to be happy with things, doing so gets us branded "white knights."

"White Knighting" is blindly defending something with no logical reason or basis e.g. defending something as "just fine" just because, with no actual reasoning. I do not do such things. If I defend something I have a good reason for it. You should be more worried about "Black Knighting" where people just bash things for the sake of bashing them rather than because they have a real good reason.

[Wobi]

His exact point is that undergeared, underprepared, incompetent, or otherwise bad groups CAN and WILL and MUST "rain on the parades" of parties that are prepared, competent, and pre-formed.

What will stop random players or entire parties from trolling the entire alliance? From going AFK? From pulling and MPKing the party? From stalling progress? Nothing. That is why we need restrictions on who we can clear CT with, and ideally, allow full alliances to form before entry.

If our goal is to allow for casual players to clear encounters and have a good time, it absolutely should not be at the expense of players who expect the bare minimum (or, god forbid, higher) standards among their alliance members.

I'm glad you know exactly how it will work already, thanks for the insight. If they made it where the content can be cleared with iLVL55 gear then it shouldn't be too big of a problem. Fact is, this is how it will launch. You'll have to see how this plays out.

I am overgeared for it on multiple jobs but that doesn't mean I don't think other players should have a fair shake at clearing the content. I'm entirely confident this was their plan to set it up with 3 sets of 8 thru the Duty Finder so that geared players would actually try it out with people they do not know. Later on they will likely allow it to be set up as a 24 man pre-made but I'd be willing to bet they haven't got around to coding that yet.

[Ozz]

Crystal Tower is ruined for me because of this. Duty finder is supposed to exist to match parties and fill gaps for players who either dont have enough people in their FC/LS at the time or match people who want to jump in an be matched to get a group rather than shout.
To not be able to run this raid with my FC/LS friends makes me not want to do it at all. I play this game to do content with mates and be social, I dont want to rely on random DF groups where people have their own motives and strategies.
Thats my rant. I hope the community reps pass our feedback to YoshiP and the dev team.

[Reiterpallasch]

Reported.

[Minigae]

Was already DOA when it was content behind coil. All we have now to do is a couple extreme modes for a long time nothing but coil to upgrade us(and not much of an upgrade in there anyway). The only raid turns out to be absolutely worthless to anyone that's been playing the game up till now because we already have mostly ilvl 90 gear. I am on a new server and have every class/craft/gather to 50 I cant imagine what 1.0 players that started on already leveled characters going to have to do.
And forcing duty finder on ANYONE specially with as bad as the playerbase is in ARR is cruel and unusual punishment.

[Wobi]

Because comparing undergeared or less than stellar players to the mentally disabled and blind is so cool right? I hope nothing every happens to any of you cool kids or your children, you might grow up and change your tune.