24 man content DOA

[Alhanelem]

That's speculation, no? It could be any number of things, really; from what I remember from the UI lead's posts they seem to already have the Alliance display system set up fine.

I'm not talking about the alliance display. I'm talking about the interface/functionality for manually creating alliances. When CT comes out, the server will be handling it. There does not exist a UI or commands to do it on our own yet. We won't be able to form alliances for any purpose at the time CT comes out, it is currently a specialized system for CT. To make alliances created by the player possible, additional work is understandably needed.

They could delay patch 2.1, or they could delay crystal tower, but either of those things would upset a LOT more people than delaying this functionality. In other words, they chose the course of action likely to cause the least amount of dissatisfaction (since you can never please everyone, especially within the FFXIV community)
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I am not defending them, I don't like they are doing this either. However I am trying to find a realistic reason as to why they can't atm.

I'm not saying I *like* the situation, I just accept that there is a reasonable reason why the functionality isn't going to be immediately avialable. I don't want people to not be able to form a whole group for it- don't misinterpret my purpose here.

[Starlord]

In order to even set up an alliance premade, they need to make it so the alliance system is overworld based. Until such content is available in the overworld ( see Frontier ). I don't think they see a point in doing it that way.

Maybe there is another way around it so you can make pre-made parties? I am not sure.

I am not defending them, I don't like they are doing this either. However I am trying to find a realistic reason as to why they can't atm.

[Faelandaea]

Well I am a casual player. I play a healer in every MMO I play, but there's so many healers in this game we aren't in demand. Thus I will not be raiding and will relax keeping my sweetie alive while she plays.

However the 24-man content bit . . . I support the ability to queue up as a private instance for a full raid for an FC. I also support what they are already doing. Make it like STO and a few other games i play . . . you can queue as a PUG, queue as a small team and let others be added, or form a full private "game" and invite via a UI interface the full regiment of everyone needed. Options are great.

If I raid, though, I will probably rely on their current system and try to get a PUG. Thus less pressure as it is not as personal. However, this in turn can be the argument for the other side of the coin . . . "Those who don't take it personally aren't trying their best!" Good point, but I always do try my best when I play, but I also like to remember it is just a game. I was in a guild on Rift that made it seem like it was the end of the world every time someone slipped in a raid even once. Talk about Drama - especially on the voice server . . .

[Randalthor]

Bump for retrospective 3.5 months later

[Gesser]

Not only that you can't bring 24 of your own people... but that the content is LESS DIFFICULT (by far) than the end-game.

There is literally no hard end-game 24-man content... wth is that?

[Giantbane]

That's gonna be a nightmare scenario but I doubt you'd find people with allagans in CT though. CT is for new people and people gearing up alt classes. I just hope they up the gear requirement to ilvl 60 minimum. At least pugs with decent gears will have a better chance at completing their areas.

I think with the minimum being 55 I don't think you'll find most of a raid consisting of 55 players that common. I'd imagine most of the participants will probably be in mostly DL with a few stragglers bring up the rear in terms of gear. It's not like the DF is just going to find all the ilvl 55 players and stick them together on purpose or anything.

[Pyretta_Blaze]

That's gonna be a nightmare scenario but I doubt you'd find people with allagans in CT though. CT is for new people and people gearing up alt classes. I just hope they up the gear requirement to ilvl 60 minimum. At least pugs with decent gears will have a better chance at completing their areas.

Want a bet? My entire FC wants to complete everything that exists. Also several of us want the drops in there for vanity & gearing up other jobs.

[Zenogias]

Reported. Try to argue points like an adult. On topic, few people realize that the *majority* of the FFXIV population is not clearing Turns 1-4 on the regular, even fewer for turn 5. This will allow them to gear up and have some fun. Don't rain on their parade.

You are everything that is wrong with this game's community. I wish I could ban people like you from the thread.

[Wobi]

You are everything that is wrong with this game's community. I wish I could ban people like you from the thread.

Yes, personal attacks against me are much better than arguing my point. They at no point declared crystal tower would have better gear, it was meant to come out before Coil but that is not how things turned out. The fact is it will be a decent way for geared players to fill out slots in alt jobs until they get i90 or better and for those not clearing Coil on a regular basis they will have gear to help that become a possibility.

[YuriRamona]

Reported. Try to argue points like an adult. On topic, few people realize that the *majority* of the FFXIV population is not clearing Turns 1-4 on the regular, even fewer for turn 5. This will allow them to gear up and have some fun. Don't rain on their parade.

His exact point is that undergeared, underprepared, incompetent, or otherwise bad groups CAN and WILL and MUST "rain on the parades" of parties that are prepared, competent, and pre-formed.

What will stop random players or entire parties from trolling the entire alliance? From going AFK? From pulling and MPKing the party? From stalling progress? Nothing. That is why we need restrictions on who we can clear CT with, and ideally, allow full alliances to form before entry.

If our goal is to allow for casual players to clear encounters and have a good time, it absolutely should not be at the expense of players who expect the bare minimum (or, god forbid, higher) standards among their alliance members.

Given that Duty Finder server groups are spread among worlds and we have no cross-server social capabilities, this current situation will serve to force better players to carry non-dedicated players through a dungeon. It's inexcusable and needs to be addressed.