LOL@ Yoshi P's response to why Coil raiders should do Crystal Tower

[Amocoru]

Oh well.
They made coil the end all be all of gear.
But...we already knew CT for instance, was going to go backwards to begin with since it was suppose to be played before Coil.

I'm doing CT for fun...like others should be doing but I guess people don't care about that nowadays.
Just being the most bestest geared up person in all the lands. I'm glad I'm not like that lol.

It's not fun if myself or my FC members aren't getting better gear from it to make our main objective easier; clearing coil. This seems like a colossal waste of time outside of equipping a job you "might" play later.

[KenzieLynch]

You could always do CT for...you know...the enjoyment of doing it.

[Pseudopsia]

I don't think we have any chance to win items for alt.jobs by "Greed" in a 24 man raid like that.

I recall in Rainheart's translation that each group of 8 will get their own chest.

[Giantbane]

This was mostly stuff that was supposed to be in 2.0 but wasn't ready yet. It's being added to bring the current game to its intended release form with more diverse end game content and coil being the pinnacle of that. Coil was intended to be more difficult, but they screwed up. However, they don't have plans to go back and nerf it for fear of angering those who don't want their progress reset. So you'll just have to wait for 2.2 which brings the next stages of coil, new gear and hopefully content that will be as difficult as originally intended.

[Amiantos]

It's not fun if myself or my FC members aren't getting better gear from it to make our main objective easier; clearing coil. This seems like a colossal waste of time outside of equipping a job you "might" play later.

Because heaven forbid you get some i80 gear for your main to make coil easier.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

This was mostly stuff that was supposed to be in 2.0 but wasn't ready yet. It's being added to bring the current game to its intended release form with more diverse end game content and coil being the pinnacle of that. Coil was intended to be more difficult, but they screwed up. However, they don't have plans to go back and nerf it for fear of angering those who don't want their progress reset. So you'll just have to wait for 2.2 which brings the next stages of coil, new gear and hopefully content that will be as difficult as originally intended.

let's not forget the people who ACTUALLY beated coil (aka killed twintania) it's still very very few. Farming coil up to 4° floor it's hardly the meaning of "beated". In this, they have all they time they want to beat it and finally move to the next tier.

[Freakiie]

Wow, I must have imagined all those posts complaining about having to do AK over and over.

If the new dungeons are as bland and straightforward as WP/AK nothing will change. Considering how a lot of people already outgear them (Yes unlike popular believe there are plenty of people that at least got largely DL) a lot of the mechanics probably can already be skipped so in the end it's just going to be the same "So, what's fastest?" story. Blame SE for making their endgame dungeons horribly bland from what we've seen so far.

You could always do CT for...you know...the enjoyment of doing it.

Except that you either have to queue up over and over to try and get 3 FC/LS/Friend parties in there or have to wait for 2 random parties which may or may not always be equally enjoyable. Especially when it involves waiting around for ages because your organised party can clear the "solo" part of CT way faster than the other parties. Also, same story as the other instances, designed for i55-60ish gear. It's just going to be more roflstomping.

[Giantbane]

Except that you either have to queue up over and over to try and get 3 FC/LS/Friend parties in there or have to wait for 2 random parties which may or may not always be equally enjoyable. Especially when it involves waiting around for ages because your organised party can clear the "solo" part of CT way faster than the other parties. Also, same story as the other instances, designed for i55-60ish gear. It's just going to be more roflstomping.

I don't know if it's "designed" for ilvl 55-60 gear. That's just going to be the minimum requirement. So at bare minimum you don't get fresh 50s with AF and white jewelry in the run. You ever run a new computer game on a system that just barely meets minimum specs? It's not pretty. I'd imagine if you get extraordinarily unlucky and get grouped into a DF run completely full of members that barely clear the ilvl 55 prereq, it will probably be just as rough.

[Fyreus]

CT and extreme primals drop higher gear of darklight
@topic:
Btw, as lame it could be, that's really the only way to respond to that question: there's really no other reason to do CT for the main job if you can beat binding coil, while instead there are plenty of reasons doing it for second jobs. So, this is good for everyone who complained until yesterday they couldn't gear the second job, and that's really nothing to complain since we know forever CT is meant to be done pre-coil.
Oh wait, they do. Let me guess, what they ment with "i can't gear my second job", was instead "i can't gear my second job with free ilvl 90 af like my main". I got it right ?

I could never understand the "I can't gear my second job" crowd since this stuff can be beaten with some of this DL gear sans some classes.

[Twiddle]

Op so much fail in your analysis of his reply that it's sad. You do CT because it's content the armor is something on the side, that can be used at a further time by vanity, or used at current for your other none main classes. You love the cake, hate the topping, so you bash the whole thing rather then eating the cake and ignoring the topping. If you don't need armor pass it, other do. Am sick and tired of the carrot and stick incentives, and people's primitive way of understanding things. Carrot and stick is dead, do something because you like doing it, not because of a reward... the reward will not give you happiness.