Yoshi P talks about Warriors- from Producer Letter Live @ TGS

[Kexual]

Here is what Yoshi had to say about Warriors, as translated by Reinhart:

y: some were asking isn't warrior weaker/harder than paladin?
y: in development environment devs are really strong with marauder
y: so I think you'l find them out soon
y: they are really strong
y: for those that really want to show off, i recommend warrior

Does this mean that Yoshi is telling us buffs are on the way, or Warrior is shining with the content that's coming? I'm not sure.

You can find the translation of the rest of the letter at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ntW_O2vWI/edit

[Sephirah]

Here is what Yoshi had to say about Warriors, as translated by Reinhart:



Does this mean that Yoshi is telling us buffs are on the way, or Warrior is shining with the content that's coming? I'm not sure.

You can find the translation of the rest of the letter at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ntW_O2vWI/edit

My take-away from this is, clearly the Devs are better at using Warriors, most likely because they aren't trying to use them like a PLD, and as far as they are concerned, they are a good class.

I tend to agree, I think all the whining about not being able to Main Tank coils is pointless because none of them have the level appropriate gear that they SHOULD have before even stepping foot into it. Once Crystal Tower is added and they have the appropriate gear, you'll see them MTing coils. They also have said that it is more difficult to be a good WAR, so "showing off" is if you're a WAR AND good, as an unskilled player will most likely not be a very good WAR.

[Rios-Drakoon]

My take-away from this is, clearly the Devs are better at using Warriors, most likely because they aren't trying to use them like a PLD, and as far as they are concerned, they are a good class.

I tend to agree, I think all the whining about not being able to Main Tank coils is pointless because none of them have the level appropriate gear that they SHOULD have before even stepping foot into it. Once Crystal Tower is added and they have the appropriate gear, you'll see them MTing coils. They also have said that it is more difficult to be a good WAR, so "showing off" is if you're a WAR AND good, as an unskilled player will most likely not be a very good WAR.

Sure, with Crystal Tower Gear, Warrior will shine in Bahamuts Coil... but hey, wait... atm PLD are Tanking Bahamuts Coil with Current gear, doenst taht mean, that with Crystal Tower Gear PLD will be even more shiny?.....
Say waht you want, PLD>WAR.

SE said once, that PLD is a Tank who reduce incoming dmg, and WAR is a tank who Counter incoming dmg with his selfheal. but his selfheal is such a bad joke....
i Tested it right now, i have full Darklight gear and Ifrit Axe, and i heal my self with Bloodbath about 40-70. Inner beast about 800 and Storm's path about 100. (Storms Path is the 3er Combo, so, ist just all 7,5sec 100 Selfheal)

So, answer me, do you really think the healer feels that, if the tank heals himself with 40-100 per hit, wehn the Boss hit him with 1200? or like Titan HM with 4500?

ps. about Topic, i think we will get a Buff soon, thats how i read it. and its about time.

[Joypad]

Once Crystal Tower is added

Hold it!

How can you be sure that Yoshi's internal team tests WAR with the added gear? You don't. The tests are highly likely to be with gear already available.

[Sudboyz]

My take-away from this is, clearly the Devs are better at using Warriors, most likely because they aren't trying to use them like a PLD, and as far as they are concerned, they are a good class.

I tend to agree, I think all the whining about not being able to Main Tank coils is pointless because none of them have the level appropriate gear that they SHOULD have before even stepping foot into it. Once Crystal Tower is added and they have the appropriate gear, you'll see them MTing coils. They also have said that it is more difficult to be a good WAR, so "showing off" is if you're a WAR AND good, as an unskilled player will most likely not be a very good WAR.

CT is a tier up... you shouldn't need better get to get into a lower tier raid.

[Sephirah]

CT is a tier up... you shouldn't need better get to get into a lower tier raid.

CT is not a tier up, it was intended to be released with 2.0. The progression is supposed to be Primals>Crystal Tower>Coils.

[Sudboyz]

CT is not a tier up, it was intended to be released with 2.0. The progression is supposed to be Primals>Crystal Tower>Coils.

Regardless, there is an issue if 1 tank can tank with gear x, but another cannot with the equivalent tier.

[ZephyrK]

My take-away from this is, clearly the Devs are better at using Warriors, most likely because they aren't trying to use them like a PLD, and as far as they are concerned, they are a good class.

I tend to agree, I think all the whining about not being able to Main Tank coils is pointless because none of them have the level appropriate gear that they SHOULD have before even stepping foot into it. Once Crystal Tower is added and they have the appropriate gear, you'll see them MTing coils. They also have said that it is more difficult to be a good WAR, so "showing off" is if you're a WAR AND good, as an unskilled player will most likely not be a very good WAR.

I knew a very high level developer on the now defunct Star Wars: Galaxies. He was promoted from a pretty low position when they did the big purge after NGE. I'll never forget what he told me, and that is that most developers are blinded by how they expect players to play the game they designed vs the reality of the boundaries of the game at it stands.



If Yoshi thinks the current game is Hard Mode Ifrit or farming currency, it would stand to reason that they think Warriors are great. Hell, Paladins are stun bots there.

However, the high end player base (which I am not a part of) thinks the game is currently about Coil. They are probably further along than the devs think they should be for their gear level. But still, they progress, and as part of that progress, they only want to bring along a single class to tank for them because they need a class that can take hits. Big hits. Using long cool down abilities and innate mitigation.

Are they pushing too hard? Maybe. But that's what cutting edge content guilds do. Lesser players will, in general, look up to what those players are accomplishing and model their builds and configs based off of that so they can tackle much easier content with much more ease.

I guess all I am saying is that Yoshi can ignore the best players' perceptions at the game's own peril. In games like this, at some point, perception becomes reality. It takes too long to build a character, and once a class has been left out long enough it becomes hard to catch up.

The last thing I'd mention is that I don't believe for a minute that the Devs are better at playing this game than the best players are. That's just the natural order of things. You wouldn't expect a sports doctor to be better than an olympian at a foot race, and you wouldn't expect a mechanic to be the best race car driver. So no, I do not believe the devs are better at playing Warriors than people who have made an occupation at main tanking for hard mode guilds for a decade.

[Amra]

I tend to agree, I think all the whining about not being able to Main Tank coils is pointless because none of them have the level appropriate gear that they SHOULD have before even stepping foot into it. ... They also have said that it is more difficult to be a good WAR, ...

There are several issues with this:

1) Having warriors require gear that is above the level of the piece of content they are trying to tank is not good game design. That is just broken.

2) "warrior's are off tanks" That would be totally acceptable in most games, but most games offer more than two choices of tanks. Also they give the off-tank other compelling perks. Warrior doesn't even do noticeably more damage than paladin!

3) "Warriors are harder to play" The truth is, they are harder, but not on the tank. It is harder for your healers to keep up. No one is going to be impressed by your performance on a warrior, because you simply don't have the tools to impress.

[Illya]

I want to ask Yoshi what WAR is supposed to do for Titan HM then. Go as DPS just for that fight, since it's literally 10 million times easier to tank Titan HM as a PLD?

I tried to tank Titan HM as WAR today. I really did. I went in with Garuda's Scream, the AF+1 chest, and everything else DL except helmet. Mountain Buster was dropping 4.5k damage on me straight up and I have about 6.9k HP. How a healer is supposed to heal me through that with Cure II that does 1.3k healing on me is a mystery which no one has been able to solve.

I mean, I'll take a pointless carry through Titan HM with me as a mediocre DPS just to pass the instance and get my Relic weapon but if this is what Yoshi thinks WAR is for, never MT only carry then fine I'll just roll a SMN or something and never tank again in this game. I don't want to be PLD to tank.