Relics , are not relices anymore

[Babydoll]

Sorry

Are you serious? Its not about being special or whatever....its about SE gimping the meaning behind the relic weapons. In previous FF (not just ffxi) relics were the most difficult to get yet most rewarding.

Did you play any of the other FF games?

Imagine playing any ff and getting masamune, Excalibur, gae bolg etc in the early part of the game -_- they are meant to be iconic and THE best...period. This has nothing to do with feeling special...well at least not to me anyway.

Edit:

To be fair you still have to put a monumental amount of effort into getting a relic if it's your first one. Obviously people who are already geared, rich, know the game, etc., will have no problems gearing up their other classes with relics, but a new player is still going to have to put a lot of effort into it if they want their first relic.

And obviously the relic was never intended to be the only weapon you will ever have. I'd like to think that come 2.2 there will be weapons better than relic+1 that people can aim for.

I do believe it is intended to be the best. In 1.0 interviews about 2.0 yoshida said in 2.0 relic is meant to be the best and we will get quests to improve it into the legendary weapon slowly over time...just Google ffxiv legendary weapon its easy to find.

[Ri_ri]

Are you serious? Its not about being special or whatever....its about SE gimping the meaning behind the relic weapons. In previous FF (not just ffxi) relics were the most difficult to get yet most rewarding.

Did you play any of the other FF games?

Why you people keep bringing expectations from other games? It's pretty obvious that it'll only lead to disappointment.
Worse when the disappointment stems from "half of the server" (like OP's complain) having it too.

Now that I've read it again, her complaint doesn't even makes sense. +1 Relic will be as good than Allagan. If it's about the item, having a +1 before it doesn't means it isn't the Curtana anymore.

[Babydoll]

Why you people keep bringing expectations from other games? It's pretty obvious that it'll only lead to disappointment.
Worse when the disappointment stems from "half of the server" (like OP's complain) having it too.

Now that I've read it again, her complaint doesn't even makes sense. +1 Relic will be as good than Allagan. If it's about the item, having a +1 before it doesn't means it isn't the Curtana anymore.

Why? Because the producer of the game said that this game will bring the fantasy back in final fantasy and he claimed that he will bring the series back to its roots.

Yeah I can see allagan being better then +1 ok thats fine but as long as in the end he stays true to his word and legendary(which is meant to be relic weapons that are slowly upgraded through patches) will be the best.

I mean I'm sure they will upgrade our relics slowly but atm for end game SE probably wants ppl to keep running t1-5 , so yeah it makes sense for allagan to be better...for now

[Itseotle]

I'd like to think that come 2.2 there will be weapons better than relic+1 that people can aim for.

In 1.0 interviews about 2.0 yoshida said in 2.0 relic is meant to be the best and we will get quests to improve it into the legendary weapon slowly over time...just Google ffxiv legendary weapon its easy to find.

The idea of Relic +2, +3, ect does not sound too farfetched.

[Koren_Origins]

Are you serious? Its not about being special or whatever....its about SE gimping the meaning behind the relic weapons. In previous FF (not just ffxi) relics were the most difficult to get yet most rewarding.

If that's your argument about what a relic is, then they fit the definition perfectly. It is a lengthy quest that gives one of the most powerful weapons in the game requiring the completion of the story, five boss monsters, and the involvement of two high level crafters (one to make the base weapon and one to meld the materia.)

And in previous FF, the ultimate weapons weren't always difficult to get. FF tactics you stole or found them on the maps, FF7 most were sitting around waiting to be picked up (hell Tifa's comes from a vending machine,) FF8 were all crafted, some of FF4 came from boss monsters, some bought and some just found while the remake was ultimate equipment from rare drops from basic monsters. One of the better weapons in FF6 Atma/Ultima weapon could be found before the World of Ruin.

[NyssaElf]

If that's your argument about what a relic is, then they fit the definition perfectly. It is a lengthy quest that gives one of the most powerful weapons in the game requiring the completion of the story, five boss monsters, and the involvement of two high level crafters (one to make the base weapon and one to meld the materia.)

And in previous FF, the ultimate weapons weren't always difficult to get. FF tactics you stole or found them on the maps, FF7 most were sitting around waiting to be picked up (hell Tifa's comes from a vending machine,) FF8 were all crafted, some of FF4 came from boss monsters, some bought and some just found while the remake was ultimate equipment from rare drops from basic monsters. One of the better weapons in FF6 Atma/Ultima weapon could be found before the World of Ruin.

Just for the record I would rather have this then a RNG system. Cause it goes back to RNG, I'm going to be screwed

[Babydoll]

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Yes exactly, they were the end of the end of the game. If that makes sense lol. Have you tried getting the hardest to get weapons in ff12? That stuff was hard haha especially done when under leveled. Or in FFX, remember lulus? Omg I never had to focus so hard to dodge the lighting that many times in a row haha. All the ultimate weapons in FFX were fun but challenging to get and were so worth it!

That is how it should be. Which is why I think its ok for se to let us upgrade them slowly along the way until we get the legendary version or whatever name they choose in the end. They should be obtained from quests/fights along the way and not some jokey RNG system.