BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Drakkur]

Sounds like totally made up numbers to me, a bard, poorly geared, with 250-270 dps on turn 5? yea.... right....

And he thinks BRD is top dps class, im not sure hes even been in coils at all.

Lol ok, not terribly geared, but i have all the parses to prove it, and an entire group to back me up. I pull regularly 250+ depending on BL procs (if my play is absolutely horrid and i fuck up a rotation i do 230-240), i raid with one of the top guilds (Pantheon <EON>) on the server (Siren), if not the best. So, instead of refuting a player's ability to excel, how about consider how they are able to achieve it, attempt to replicate or ask them how to they achieved it. Dogmatic approach to maximizing your play will only hinder you in the end, be open minded. The only time my DPS drops on T5 are the dive bombs, but the 3 snakes dropping bring it back up when you spread out your dots.

[abzoluut]

I would really like to know why Paladins din't get nerfed when people cried about it being way more useful than Warrior was, we get nerfed and it will drop our damage by a HUGE amount when we already have to lower it when we use our Songs....

Because the nerf would result in people having way more trouble doing Coil. SE did not want to 'nerf' Coil, so they took the easy way out. Wars can tank Coil, but it's a joke compared to how PLD's can tank it atm.

Can you point out what this 'HUGE amount' in dmg loss consists of? As far as I know, they did not say anything concrete.. And do you really want to be amongst top dps, while bringing that much utility to a raid? I don't blame people who bring 3 bards, it's SE's mess up.

Am I the only one who thinks team one (FFXIV 1.0) planned to make Archer a Ranger and then team 2 wanted a support class and quickly changed it to Bard? It just does not add up: Archer -> Bard, I mean what the...

edit: had to cut out a few words of your original quote

[Leon_Stormrage]

. I pull regularly 250+

Something is bad with your number man, is not way that you can parse that damage with your current equipment... that's all. No way.
Maybe your parser is not working properly (I didn't fight T5 so I really don't know if one bard can stay all the fight pew pew Twintania but your numbers seems overrated to me)

[Leon_Stormrage]

Can you point out where this 'HUGE amount' in dmg loss consists of? As far as I know, they did not say anything concrete.. And do you really want to be amongst top dps, while bringing that much utility to a raid? I don't blame people who bring 3 bards, it's SE's mess up.
edit: had to cut out a few words of your original quote

The problem is that we are NOT top dps! We have the lowest dps of all the dps classes. The lowest.
The problem is that a mediocre Bard is not going to have a huge difference in damage with a good Bard.
This thing happens with other dps classes if one Summoner is not doing the correct rotation he can do 200+ dps (one extremely good equipped and in T4) and after fix the rotation he parsed 450 you saw the difference right?
No bard full equipped will parse that number not now, and not in a near future

[Thailer]

Lol ok, not terribly geared, but i have all the parses to prove it, and an entire group to back me up. I pull regularly 250+ depending on BL procs (if my play is absolutely horrid and i fuck up a rotation i do 230-240), i raid with one of the top guilds (Pantheon <EON>) on the server (Siren), if not the best. So, instead of refuting a player's ability to excel, how about consider how they are able to achieve it, attempt to replicate or ask them how to they achieved it. Dogmatic approach to maximizing your play will only hinder you in the end, be open minded. The only time my DPS drops on T5 are the dive bombs, but the 3 snakes dropping bring it back up when you spread out your dots.

Sure let us see that parse

[Phai]

And do you really want to be amongst top dps, while bringing that much utility to a raid? I don't blame people who bring 3 bards, it's SE's mess up.
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So u saying Brd is top dps in coil? and grp's that cant use theire head bring more than one brd?

Im a brd in coil, started this week on t5. this fc grp started coil progress 2 weeks ago and we now consider Turn 1-4 a one or two run, rest of time will be set on progress T5.

Never as thing is, will bard be top dps whit good players on other classes, and atm there is not even one reason a Groupe should bring more than one brd.
I think Brd nerf is pointless (movment nerf if i can Call it that, im all in for)

[Drakkur]

Something is bad with your number man, is not way that you can parse that damage with your current equipment... that's all. No way.
Maybe your parser is not working properly (I didn't fight T5 so I really don't know if one bard can stay all the fight pew pew Twintania but your numbers seems overrated to me)

FF14 app like everyone else, and I have had two different guilds and many people metaphorically crap their pants when they see it on their parser pop up. Stop blaming the game, even the spreadsheet easymode shows that 250 is possible with a perfect rotation with less Dex than i have and less crit. Stop saying its not possible, because it is.

[Leon_Stormrage]

FF14 app like everyone else, and I have had two different guilds and many people metaphorically crap their pants when they see it on their parser pop up. Stop blaming the game, even the spreadsheet easymode shows that 250 is possible with a perfect rotation with less Dex than i have and less crit. Stop saying its not possible, because it is.

It would be great if you show us that spreadsheet because like I said before it is not possible with your current equipment.

[Viridiana]

Its not nearly as complicated actually.
Rez turns into battle rez (traited version can have a different bonus)
Cure scales off of WPN (traited version adds bonus for MND)
Esuna becomes cross skill
Repose becomes cross skill
Aero can be equipped by DoW
(Stoneskin is already decent)

1) That's a bigger buff to PLD than it is to BRD. No one slow-casts an 8 second rez if they can help it in combat, because that's usually a good way to die. Pop Hallowed Ground, though, and you still have 2 seconds of invulnerability to turn the boss so he doesn't cleave whoever you just rez'd.
2) It already scales off of WPN and MND for all classes. And you want to take away the Freecure trait? The best thing that ever happened to Cure II?
3) Pretty situational, but at least it's potentially useful.
4) Does sleep even see any use past AK?
5) Aero would be a waste of a slot. We have no INT and low Magic Damage. You can't just give an offensive spell to a non-mage and assume it'll be powerful.
6) I can kinda agree here, but it's still really situational. We can't even use it before a pull if there's a WHM, and we have better things to be doing in combat unless something has gone very wrong. . .

[Drakkur]

Sure let us see that parse

Sunday when we are back to doing T5, i'll get them to you. If you're in an emergency for this data, want a 5 min parse of a target dummy? What stipulations? No Piecing debuff, take ME out of my macro on a lvl 50 dummy? How about just log on to siren and we can sit next to a dummy in a group and you run your parser (my name is Drakkur Vextorian).