BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

**Phai** · 11-25-2013 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by AkashiXI

The only time where multiple bards are viable is Turn 2. Even then, a smart MNK or PLD can rotate silence with each other or the Bard. High Voltage is very predictable.

Our Tanks take care of HV in T2 and its np, only time i assist whit silence is on the ADS in the begining of T1 when tanks are split up. Monk can easly assist when needed also.

Only reason grps /shout for 2 x bard in coil is couse they dont want to handle silence themself or they copy/pasted the first rumor/guide that came out.
As things are right now, its pure loss to bring brd x2 due to Our low dps. any other dps role will preform far better in coil.

Mnk, smn, blm is insane damage, same whit Drg, but it could be nice to see Drg get some utility boost aswell as the dps boost it gets. Fact is, Brd dont take ur spot in coil, its the lazy grp leaders that makes it so....

**Lupus** · 11-25-2013 06:31 AM

I probably should have mentioned Turn 2 lol

I still don't think losing B4B would hurt us that much, but thats my opinion of course.

**Viridiana** · 11-25-2013 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lupus

I probably should have mentioned Turn 2 lol.

It's still not *needed*. It's been mentioned on these boards before that a MNK can solo interrupt ADS if the group is willing to deal with the MNK spacing a few attacks to ensure their silence is up. Or the more common PLD/BRD split, or 2xPLD. Or PLD/MNK, or BRD/MNK, though I'm not sure how well MNK does at alternating with the other classes. . .

**Phai** · 11-25-2013 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Lupus

still be wanted for coil regardless. only difference is that coil won't need multiple bards and there will be more room for other dps.

Dont stand in Wineport and belive pug /shout's for coil is the best way to solve the encounters, 2x brd is a cripple'd grp. So there u have it, 3 more dps plz.

**Charas** · 11-25-2013 08:10 PM

The OP requested an answer from the devs, i believe most bards would have liked an answer, and then once again, as everytime on every bard thread , a group of kiddo came to spam it and ruin it all. Who cares if someone won t post data gathered on broken parsers? none of them work! It amazes me to see as so many ppl keep believing in those meaningless numbers, being parsers (not accurate) or best rotations... or i d k what. We play an mmo, and a good mmo player, this apply to every classes, adapt, and do not spam blindy the same rotation no matter what.
Anyway, on topic! now that we are sure bard s changes will only affect cross class skills... i can claim it \o/ My DPS is INSANE (when not using song ofc, but who is dumb enougth to use songs non stop on dps races?). That's how it is, i have no need to proove anything. That being said, i do know my dps will drop in a way or in another with the next big patch, but i would really apreciate to know what exactly will happen to my class.

You posted Warrior buff details dayyyyys ago, why not post Bard nerf detail now? :P Cmon be kind with your fellow lil harp players Devs!

**Devils** · 11-26-2013 03:33 AM

I am fine with losing Blood for Blood, with our low HP pool that was kind of dangerous anyway and should be saved for burn phases most times anyways. I am fine being not top DD on my Bard. I understand I need to sing Ballad or Foe at certain points to make the most of it which lowers my DPS. If they release a pure DD Archer or Musketeer I will stick with Bard because it if fun and has good utility. I hated Bard in FFXI because it was TOTAL support and was very boring to play. At least this keeps us in the action and we get great raid support to boot, and we have silence

**Luso** · 11-26-2013 05:35 AM

It's a good chance blood for blood is being reworked away from bards. They didn't say anything in the letter of changing sub classes for bard. Rather they mentioned sub class skill will be adjusted.

**Allyrion** · 11-26-2013 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by Luso

It's a good chance blood for blood is being reworked away from bards. They didn't say anything in the letter of changing sub classes for bard. Rather they mentioned sub class skill will be adjusted.

SE is the king of vague.
Always keep'em guessing, I say.

**Phai** · 11-26-2013 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Allyrion

SE is the king of vague.
Always keep'em guessing, I say.

Well, thats the truth right there

(Not Allyrion Quote anymore

Anyway, BfB i dont mind removed or reworked at all. invigorate on the other hand will cripple brd way to much imo.

But i did not play brd in 1.0, so please explain to me how conj cross class would make any sence in endgame? Cure? nope... Stoneskin? nope (our mana is reserved to give healers mana) sleep someone said? where u need sleep? havent seen that been used beside speedruns in WP.... and conj is a single target sleep right? -.-

As most ppl know, 2 x bard is gimped in most situations, and its just plain stupid to bring that to coil. Melee dps is like in most mmo's not favor'd to stack in endgame, so i wounder, give brd a nerf, give melee a well deserved dps boost (tho mnk is insane as it is), and what will change? i think the real issue will still stand strong even if u removed brd from the game.

**WiseWolfHolo** · 11-26-2013 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Allyrion

SE is the king of vague.

This is the real problem, now I don't know if I want to dump more myth into bard or not depending on how gimp it gets, besides at endgame anyway u can have the pally silence along with selene for the first 2 turns or just have a monk do it all, so bard really does not fit in if they take away too much of it.

Originally Posted by Phai

But i did not play brd in 1.0, so please explain to me how conj cross class would make any sence in endgame? Cure? nope... Stoneskin? nope (our mana is reserved to give healers mana) sleep someone said? where u need sleep? havent seen that been used beside speedruns in WP.... and conj is a single target sleep right? -.-

In 1.0 it was alright because you could heal, was not great but still better than what say a blm/smn does in 2.0. You could raise which you cant do now unless you are not in battle if you are not a healer class. You could SS was not the best but it went off your vit and so did protect, so sometimes it was better for a high vit bard to cast protect over a weaker geared whm.

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